|
Pages: [1] 2 3
|
 |
|
Author
|
Topic: Penfold in Plaxtol, Kent (Read 1421 times)
|
robbyd
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 271
|
Hi l wonder if someone would be kind enough to look up the following for me?.
John PENFOLD c1836 Kent Hawker
Trinity PENFOLD c1835 ? Flower seller/hawker
In September 1861 John & Trinity had a son John who was born in Plaxtol so they should be there at time of Census.
Any help would be very much appreciated.
Robert
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|
robbyd
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 271
|
Hi Casalguidi,
I`m trying to find out the birth place of John & Trinity, l know that there son John was born September 1861 in Plaxtol but all l know of John & Trinity is that they were both born in Kent.
I have found a lot of infp at a site called "passing through" but nothing on John Snr & Trinity.
Regards
Robert
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
casalguidi
Global Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 11918
|
Hi Robert
Did you manage to confirm (by certificates or otherwise) that your Emily PENFOLD (married Frederick FARRELL) was the one born to Robert & Mary? I was a bit concerned that the one found in 1901 and 1891 was born quite a bit earlier than the one you were originally looking for.
Was John born Plaxtol the one known as Robert and who married Mary SAUNDERS?
There is this family in 1861:
1861 census
Hampton Wick (Annual Fair), Middlesex
Robert PENFOLD head mar 48 hawker b.Canterbury Kent
Phillis wife 45 b.Sussex
John son married 21 b.Hadley Essex
Renetta son's wife 27 b.Surrey or Sussex
Lydia dau 18 b.Surrey or Sussex
Henry son 7 b.Surrey or Sussex
Mary A dau 6 b.Surrey or Sussex
Jane dau 3 b.Surrey
Alfred grandson 1 b.Norwood Surrey
RG9/458 folios 135 to 137
Casalguidi
|
|
|
|
« Last Edit: Wednesday 07 June 06 15:41 UTC (UK) by casalguidi »
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
Frosty
RootsChat Member
Posts: 169
|
Hi, Robert
My husband's great grandmother was a Penfold - she came from a long line of travellers, which throws up a few problems when trying to anchor them down!
I have found lots of Penfolds around the country, but as yet haven't linked them to the family I know for sure is ours.
This is the info from the 1901 census;
William Penfold M 28 Travelling Pedlar
Bessie Penfold M 24 Travelling Pedlar
John Penfold son 4
Thomas Penfold son 1
Christopher Penfold son 3mths
Living at 27 Calenick Street Kenwyn District, Truro, Cornwall.
I know that they went on to have 10 more children! One of them was Sophie, born 1902.
Do you think there may be a link with your Penfolds?
Best regards,
Frosty
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
West - Derbyshire, Staffs - Frost - Derbyshire, Staffs -Salmon - Kent, Canada - Severn - Derbyshire, Sheffield - Cary Williams - Kent - Taylor-Harden - Staffs - Berresford - Derbys - Dennis - Derbys/Staffs - Tibbert- Nthhnts - Blackham - Derbys - Slade - Bucks
Dewberry - Nthhnts/Loughborough - Barron - Cornwall - Hunkin - Cornwall
|
|
|
robbyd
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 271
|
Hi Frosty,
Thanks for your message, l know what you mean when you mention the problems one encounters when trying to track down travellers.
At first glance l cannot see a connection, all my Penfolds originate in the Kent & Surrey area's.
Have you tried the Romany site ?, there's lots of info there.
Best Wishes & Good Luck.
Robert
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|
robbyd
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 271
|
Hi again Frosty,
I don't know the exact address but the site is called " passing through" put that in to Google and you should get several hits.
Hope it helps.
Robert
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|
deb usa
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 6447
the Waterfield girls ..all 7 of them!
|
Hi guys
I am so excited with this new message board. Frosty...it's me , deb again, ....I have been doing a lot of research on our William and Bessie and have his birth cert ...it has confirmed that his dad was indeed THOMAS penfold who married SOPHIA(nee Orchard).....
I have also been using the Kent Romany message boards and have come into contact with a cousin who's father , christopher is the brother of our thomas. i have quite a bit of confirmed info....let me know if you have lost my email address or if you would like me to forward all my info to you vis email.
ps; my mum said it was lovely meeting you altho she had wished it was under better circumstances. hope evryone is doing well.
to Robbyd: have you tried the bbc kent romany message boards. i don't know the webaddress but if you google ...GYPSY CORNWALL PENFOLD it will appear ...go to the message boards...there are also archived messages that may be useful. the people are very kind and most helpful...most of them are still living the romany life style.
i don't know if our penfolds are related to yours ...i will look into it ... i do have a John penfold born in 1834 but he was baptised in Hampshire...his parents were John and harriet pinfold (nee james ) who married in august 1831 in pimperne dorset.
hope to hear from you both
take care
deb
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
|
|
|
deb usa
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 6447
the Waterfield girls ..all 7 of them!
|
oops correction; i said that i had williams Birth cert...that meant to read william and bessie's marriage certificate where it states the fathers name...william dad was Thomas penfold ...hawker and bessie's father was John Palmer. Frosty by the way i have also researched Bessie Palmers side of the family and have come quite far especially with the help of the great people on this message board. if you go to the cornwall board and look under my posting of "Cornish Mystery" you will find out all about bessie's family ......OMG ...it is sooooooo intricate and an unbelievable story ....
sorry robbyd, for using your post to talk to frosty. 
deb
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
|
|
|
deb usa
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 6447
the Waterfield girls ..all 7 of them!
|
Hi again
Casalguidi, you mentioned "Romany Routes". I have also come across this 'magazine'(?) whilst googling the Penfold/Orchard names...... does one have to subscribe to it or can it's contents be viewed online somehow?
Hope this is not a silly question !!!?
thanks
Deb
|
|
|
|
« Last Edit: Wednesday 07 June 06 15:42 UTC (UK) by casalguidi »
|
Logged
|
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton, Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans
|
|
|
casalguidi
Global Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 11918
|
Hi Deb
It is the Romany & Traveller Family History Society journal for members
http://www.rtfhs.org.uk/
Casalguidi
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
|
casalguidi
Global Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 11918
|
Just a quick note to say that the "Passing Through" site is now hosted here on Rootschat
http://romany.rootschat.net/
Casalguidi 
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] 2 3
|
|
|
|
|
