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I need help braking down a 5yr brickwall.
I need to find the parents of Mary Johnstone who Married John Lawrie 16 Oct 1831 Troqueer Kirkcudbright. Their eldest son was David Mc Burnie Laurie b 9 Oct 1832 Troqueer Dumfries. Their second child was Mary Scott Laurie b 1835 in Leeds, Yorkshire.
Any Help is much appreciated
Regards Carol
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Do you have Mary's approximate age Carol? It might help narrow things down.
Did they move to England permanently?
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carol80
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From Census she was b 1811. On all Census she was the same age as Her husband and he was born in 1811 Parish Carluke. Mary died in England but i have not found her Death yet. I found one Mary Johnstone that fitted the bill but she was the wrong Mary as her Parents were Christopher and Winifred. This Mary died in 1851 and my Mary was still alive in 71.
The problem is they both married a John Lawrie/Laurie in 1831 in Troqueer.
Hoping someone can help.
Regards Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukStonehouse(York,Durham,Canada)Laurie(Scotland,York)Biddiss(All)Love(Scotland,Australia) Byers(Durham)Demaine(York)Dennison(York)Raine(Durham)Jefferson(Durham)Muir(Durham) Johnston (Scotland)Hunter(Scotland)Johnson(York) and many more. http://stonehouse.rootschat.netDoug Biddiss 3/1/51-12/12/06 I live in Tauranga, New Zealand |
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.... and the only Mary Johnstone/variations that I can find bpt Troqueer (although there are 46 in Scotland as a whole) in the period 1809-1811 is:
GRO REF: 882/00 0002 (Scotlands Peopl)
22 of August 1809 to James Johnstone and Helen Hunter
I'm sure you found this on the IGI as well.
Of course, she might have been from a parish other than Troqueer.
The names of her children don't seem to reflect these possible parents - do they match up with any of John Lawrie/Laurie's ?
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carol80
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I have John Laurie married Mary Johnstone 4 Nov 1831 Troqueer and John Lawrie married Mary Johnstone 16 Oct 1831 Troqueer. One of these couples are mine.
My John Laurie and Mary Johnson had the following Children, David Mc Burnie Laurie b 1832 ?? Troqueer,Mary Scott Laurie b 1835 Leeds, William Johnston Laurie b 1839 Leeds and John Laurie b 1842 Leeds ( my gg Grandfather ). I believe my John Laurie's Parents were Robert Laurie/Lawrie and Jean Scott. This makes sense as Mary has her grandmother's Maiden name. I am thinking maybe Mary Snr's mothers maiden name may have been Mc Bernie but can not find any one that fits the bill.
I Will have a look at James Jonhstone and Helen Hunter in the morning but James and Helen are not names passed down.
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Where did you get the Nov marriage from Carol? Could it be that the October one was banns and the November one was the marriage?
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carol80
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They are both on IGI. Some one on GR found the Oct marriage yesterday and emailed me. I found the Nov marriage on IGI about 5 yrs ago and thought it was mine.
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Hi Carol
Where on the IGI did you get the Nov marriage from?
SP has:
20th Nov 1831
Margaret Johnstone marrying David McBurnie 
Added: btw this is also on the IGI - nothing about 4th November either place (SP or IGI)
Now there's a turn up 
Added: but the David McBurnie Laurie is the s/o Mary Johnstone and John Laurie on SP
Now we have a McBurnie but not a Lawrie
I'll leave you to ponder that one.
Gadget
Added: And guess what I've found:
26 March 1806 Troqueer Margaret d/o James Johnstone and Helen Hunter
so, possibly, the 'McBurnie' was after Mary's brother in law
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Carol
I have a theory. I've been looking on both the 1841 and 1851 for Margaret and David McBurnie in both Scotland and E&W. They are not there. I also looked for births of McBurnies in Troqueer and surrounds in 1832 - none.
Now, this is what might have happened:
Margaret & David had a child but they died and the child was 'adopted' by Mary and John and called after the father.
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Margaret and David emigrated.
Neither the Sp site nor the IGI have death info for this early period. I've looked at my MIs for Troqueer (don't have Dumfries) and there is nothing but this doesn't signify as they might not have had headstones (not many of mine did).
The only way to test this out is to look, or have someone look for you, at the the Parish records for deaths (not always recorded).
I note that on the 1851 and 1861 Mary is down as 41 and 51, which might suggest a DoB of 1809 - 1810.
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Carol
I have a theory. I've been looking on both the 1841 and 1851 for Margaret and David McBurnie in both Scotland and E&W. They are not there. I also looked for births of McBurnies in Troqueer and surrounds in 1832 - none.
Now, this is what might have happened:
Margaret & David had a child but they died and the child was 'adopted' by Mary and John and called after the father.
or
Margaret and David emigrated.
Neither the Sp site nor the IGI have death info for this early period. I've looked at my MIs for Troqueer (don't have Dumfries) and there is nothing but this doesn't signify as they might not have had headstones (not many of mine did).
The only way to test this out is to look, or have someone look for you, at the the Parish records for deaths (not always recorded).
I've checked the census info for John and Mary 1841-1871 for their ages and think you should really consider the 1809 baptism for Mary:
1841 - both are down as 30 (i.e. 30-34 or 1807 to 1811)
1851 - John is 40 (1810-1811) Mary is 41 (1809-1810)
1861 - both 51 (1809 -1810)
1871 - Mary 65 (1805-1806)
There is a possible death for Mary Lawrie:
June Q, 1879, Halifax, Vol 9a, page 322 aged 71.
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Carol and Gadget
You could try checking this site for deaths recorded in the OPRs in Kirkcudbright:
http://www.old-kirkcudbright.net/genealogy/oprDeaths/index.asp
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire.
Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll.
Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire.
Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan.
McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland.
Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland.
..........and lots of Spanish name interests........
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Thanks Monica -think I'll leave that for Carol 
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carol80
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It all seems to fit. Thank you Gadget for the new Leads. I am sure Margaret b 1806 and Mary b 1809 with parents James and Helen are mine so will pencil them in.
The Nov Marriage was in Dumfries. I went with that one as it was given to me by a Relie when i first started out on this Tree. The info I was given was 4 Nov 1831 Troqueer, Dumfries. I have rechecked IGI this morning and the Nov Marriage reads Dumfries, Dumfries.
Monica: Already had that site bookmarked. Will have a good look today.
Gadget. Your good friend Keith has McBurnie's on his website so will have a look and see if any thing matches.
Thank you for all your help
Regards Carol ( The New Zealand Carol )
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