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Thomas PAUL - born Southwark c1842 COMPLETED THANKS
« on: Friday 22 October 04 10:44 BST (UK) »

Can anyone help me to find a Thomas Paul (L) born in Southwark c 1842

I have him at 12 Aldred St Bermondsey with young family in 1871(spelt Pall) and all censuses after that,but can anyone help me with the 1861 or 51 or his birth.

He married Esther Banks, at St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey 5.3.1864.
At the time says he was 21 and a leather dyer.Father also Thomas a bricklayer.Doesn't say deceased-but still could be

Despite many attempts at trawling through the BMD indexes have never found a birth c 1842 that fits.

I have been stuck at this brickwall for ages- please help 

Carol

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Rogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas
Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire
Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset
Jenner,Clapham Surrey
Kendrick,Liverpool
Wensley,Somerset

Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland
Blake and Maloney from  Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland
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Re: Thomas PAUL - born Southwark c1842 Please help!
« Reply #1 on: Friday 22 October 04 12:21 BST (UK) »

Can anyone help me to find a Thomas Paul (L) born in Southwark c 1842

I have him at 12 Aldred St Bermondsey with young family in 1871(spelt Pall) and all censuses after that,but can anyone help me with the 1861 or 51 or his birth.

He married Esther Banks, at St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey 5.3.1864.
At the time says he was 21 and a leather dyer.Father also Thomas a bricklayer.Doesn't say deceased-but still could be

Despite many attempts at trawling through the BMD indexes have never found a birth c 1842 that fits.

I have been stuck at this brickwall for ages- please help 

Carol
 
 

Carol

I have checked the following indexes without success.

1851.  Southwark; Christchurch, St Saviour, St Olave, St Thomas, St John Horsleydown.

1861. Southwark; Christchurch, St Saviour, St Thomas.

I haven't got the indexes for the rest of Southwark I'm afraid. 

I did find this birth reference.  Looks promising.........no good?
Rick

PAUL, Thomas
Birth
December 1843
St George Southwark 
County:    London Surrey  4 451 
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Re: Thomas PAUL - born Southwark c1842 Please help!
« Reply #2 on: Friday 29 October 04 09:06 BST (UK) »

Hi Rick

Sorry to take so long getting back to you.
Thanks for the look ups.We have discovered a possible 7 year old Thomas Paull in 1851 as a visitor at 3 Clarendon Street  Southwark or Bermondsey(not sure which) on 1563/260.He is there with someone named Coleman I am told.Funny thing is that when he eventually married Esther Banks in 1864 it said her name was Banks, formerly Coleman odd huh? As we can't find a previous marriage for her and mum doesn't seem to have been Coleman.
Odder and odder  Huh

The 1843 birth you gave does not seem correct as the father is Charles.
This is a real mystery-was he adopted and not born Paul,did someone make an error in putting father Thomas Paull on his marriage cert.

More brick walls,slowly ..........VERY slowly being knocked down.

Carol
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Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire
Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset
Jenner,Clapham Surrey
Kendrick,Liverpool
Wensley,Somerset

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Blake and Maloney from  Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland
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Re: Thomas PAUL - born Southwark c1842 Please help!
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 30 October 04 13:53 BST (UK) »

Carol

As promised offlist.  Here is the full entry for your census reference. Not sure that it will help much!

Rick

1851 Census.  HO107/1563 Folio 260b

3 Clarendon Street, St George the Martyr, Southwark.


COLEMAN Ann, Head, Widow, 64, Charwoman, b Dawley Salop
COLEMAN Ann, Dau, Unm, 29, House Servant, b Lambeth Surrey
PAULL Thomas, Visitor, 7, b Southwark Surrey.
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Re: Thomas PAUL - born Southwark c1842 COMPLETED REQUEST THANKS!
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 30 October 04 15:22 BST (UK) »

Yes thanks for this Rick- but as you say not going to get me much further is it?
Why should a 7 year old go visiting on census night,he must have known the family quite well.Where's his mum. I'm pinning my hopes on tying the younger Ann up with a possible sister or half sister called Esther.

Isn't this called 'clutching at straws time'  Shocked

Carol

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Rogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas
Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire
Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset
Jenner,Clapham Surrey
Kendrick,Liverpool
Wensley,Somerset

Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland
Blake and Maloney from  Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland
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Re: Thomas PAUL - born Southwark c1842 Please help!
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 30 October 04 16:00 BST (UK) »

Yes thanks for this Rick- but as you say not going to get me much further is it?
Why should a 7 year old go visiting on census night,he must have known the family quite well.Where's his mum. I'm pinning my hopes on tying the younger Ann up with a possible sister or half sister called Esther.

Isn't this called 'clutching at straws time'  Shocked

Carol



I don't think that St George the Martyr has been indexed yet.  You could really do with a St G the M index though couldn't you!!!

Rick
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