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alllegs
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No problems,
Let us know if you have any success, or not. If not we'll try something else!
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janan
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Hi Christine
I've tried to find the family in 1851 - actually thought I had when I turned up a Thomas and Jane Sharp in Dorking with a 1 year old daughter Esther but then sadly found them in 1861 as well 
If Jane was Irish I suppose it is possible she and Thomas married there and were also there in 51. Do you know where they sailed from in 53?
Jan 
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alllegs
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Hi
I did exactly the same Jan!
I'm guessing they must have married in Ireland and perhaps Esther was born there too as they don't seem to be on the 1851 and I can see no obvious marriage in England for Jane and Thomas.
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDUR-Bainbridge,Hodgson,Richardson,Walker,Thompson,Armory,Wynn,Humble,Dunn,Chapman,Herin YKS-Bradley,Hellawell,Dransfield,Sanderson,Gledhill,Mallinson,Tyas,Thornton,Nobel,Brook,Senior,Bower,Kay,Hirst,Smith,Lockwood,Clayton,Rollinson,Swallow NTHNTS-Hubbard,Line,Goate,Tyler,Weed,Warren,Brown,Hollowell,Bird,Kirby,Dolby,Gilbert,Wootton NFK-Burton,Myhill,Fisher,Thompson LNRK-Neilson,Dudson,Forrest,McNight,Paterson WL-Williams |
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larc1790
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Thank you Legs - that is very kind of you. I will let you know.
Cheers,
Christine
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(Devon, Dorset & Somerset) LARCOMBE.
(Bisley, GLS) MARMONT,WHEELER, MARSH,FOWLER. IVATT, and IRELAND.
(GLS) EVANS.
(Dorset) DAVIS, BUTT, LAWRENCE.
(Scotland) WEIR, PEAT(PEET), PATON, MOORE.
(Ireland) CRILLY, COOLEY.
(Lancashire) HATTON, FLEETWOOD, HALL.
(Cambridgeshire) WEEKS, BRADLEY, MARTIN, ROOK.
(Kent) COOLEY
(Essex) BENTON.
(Shropshire) MORRIS.
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larc1790
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Hi Jan,
Many thanks for looking. Pain - I had hoped that the Dorking Esther was ours! 
The ship, "Ramillies" sailed from Southampton in 1853. I don't know if it came via Ireland.
Thank you,
Christine
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(Devon, Dorset & Somerset) LARCOMBE.
(Bisley, GLS) MARMONT,WHEELER, MARSH,FOWLER. IVATT, and IRELAND.
(GLS) EVANS.
(Dorset) DAVIS, BUTT, LAWRENCE.
(Scotland) WEIR, PEAT(PEET), PATON, MOORE.
(Ireland) CRILLY, COOLEY.
(Lancashire) HATTON, FLEETWOOD, HALL.
(Cambridgeshire) WEEKS, BRADLEY, MARTIN, ROOK.
(Kent) COOLEY
(Essex) BENTON.
(Shropshire) MORRIS.
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larc1790
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Hi again,
On the LDS site I have found:
Jane ALSOP Christening: 17 FEB 1833 Sunbury On Thames, London, England
Parents John and Sarah ALSOP.
Would it be possible for you to check the Census' for this family, please?
Cheers,
Christine
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(Devon, Dorset & Somerset) LARCOMBE.
(Bisley, GLS) MARMONT,WHEELER, MARSH,FOWLER. IVATT, and IRELAND.
(GLS) EVANS.
(Dorset) DAVIS, BUTT, LAWRENCE.
(Scotland) WEIR, PEAT(PEET), PATON, MOORE.
(Ireland) CRILLY, COOLEY.
(Lancashire) HATTON, FLEETWOOD, HALL.
(Cambridgeshire) WEEKS, BRADLEY, MARTIN, ROOK.
(Kent) COOLEY
(Essex) BENTON.
(Shropshire) MORRIS.
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alllegs
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Hi Christine,
I can't see an obvious entry for these Alsop's on the 1851 census, however Jane could have married/emigrated by then and the parents could have died.
I can't find them on the 1841 either, sorry!
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« Last Edit: Tuesday 11 March 08 11:21 GMT (UK) by alllegs »
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDUR-Bainbridge,Hodgson,Richardson,Walker,Thompson,Armory,Wynn,Humble,Dunn,Chapman,Herin YKS-Bradley,Hellawell,Dransfield,Sanderson,Gledhill,Mallinson,Tyas,Thornton,Nobel,Brook,Senior,Bower,Kay,Hirst,Smith,Lockwood,Clayton,Rollinson,Swallow NTHNTS-Hubbard,Line,Goate,Tyler,Weed,Warren,Brown,Hollowell,Bird,Kirby,Dolby,Gilbert,Wootton NFK-Burton,Myhill,Fisher,Thompson LNRK-Neilson,Dudson,Forrest,McNight,Paterson WL-Williams |
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janan
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Not just me then Legs  
Sorry Christine.
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Thank you again, Legs & Jan.
What a pain, eh? Not being able to find them. Thomas and Jane with baby Esther migrated to Australia in May 1853.
Thank you both for all your help - it's has been great!
All the best,
Christine
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(Devon, Dorset & Somerset) LARCOMBE.
(Bisley, GLS) MARMONT,WHEELER, MARSH,FOWLER. IVATT, and IRELAND.
(GLS) EVANS.
(Dorset) DAVIS, BUTT, LAWRENCE.
(Scotland) WEIR, PEAT(PEET), PATON, MOORE.
(Ireland) CRILLY, COOLEY.
(Lancashire) HATTON, FLEETWOOD, HALL.
(Cambridgeshire) WEEKS, BRADLEY, MARTIN, ROOK.
(Kent) COOLEY
(Essex) BENTON.
(Shropshire) MORRIS.
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alllegs
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If I were you Christine I'd post a thread on the Ireland boards with a link to this thread so people don't duplicate info.
If Jane was born in Ireland they might be able to locate a birth and/or marriage for her over there.
Do you have any info saying where Esther was born? Might help narrow down the country at least...? I think you said the ship documents had Thomas and Jane's birth countries written on them, what did it say about Esther?
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Hi Mallow, Have you looked for a will? I notice there is a will at Lichfield for Thomas Alsop of Uttoxeter proved 27 Oct 1830. Thomas Allsop of Bramshall May 2 1838 & Thomas Alsop of Walsall Dec 16 1839. Copies can be ordered from Lichfield Record Office & as you say he moved around so anything is possible.
You certainly should avoid the trap of spellings as I have found Allsop spelled in 3 different ways in one will -twice when the clerk spelled the testator's name differently & then the testator himself spelled his own name differently again when he signed! You need to look at any Thomas including Orsoppe! Remember if he was moving around his accent (or maybe his wife's was not as clearly understood or perhaps the clerk was hard of hearing!
Do you have a date of death for Sarah? Or her maiden name? Where was she born? Where did they all live after 1841? All these things could provide a clue.
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Alsop/allsop,Debanks,Pidock, Nevill, Milward,Loxley,Holmes,Garton,Lowe
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mallow
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Thank you very much Kayzee, I always thought that Thomas being a Schoolmaster might have left a will he died in 1840 in Lichfield, Sarah died in 1857 her maiden name was Dilks and they all lived in Lichfield after 1841 until they died so any Allsopp wills in Lichfield would interest me, I will keep all that information you sent me in mind in future.
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Hi Mallow,
Sadly my Thomas wills were a little early for your Thomas. But what about the Dilks family? I have had great success with early Allsop generations using wills from other surnames which are related, surely with a name like Dilks there would not be too many wills to look through? I assume you know of the Allsop Family Group run by Winifred?
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mallow
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Thank you Kayzee  I never thought of Winifred even though I am a member of the Allsopp group, I will also have a look at Dilks. I dont suppose you came accross any Allsopp wills for 1867 in Lichfield, it seems to be easier to get them further back.
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janan
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Hi Mallow
What is the Allsopp Family Group? How do you join?
Jan
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