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Topic: ALLSOPP - Researching Family Name (Read 2852 times)
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mallow
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Hi is anybody researching the Allsopp Family name, Iam researching Thomas Allsopp born abt 1791 Thomas was a Schoomaster have lots of information from 1841 onwards. 
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frances1966
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This is probably of no help as I think allsop(p) was quite a common name in Derbyshire.
I know my 6th Great Grand Father John Sherwin was married to an Anne - the only possiable marriage I have for them is this one below which matches up perfectly as far as the birth of their first child goes.
John Sherwin + Anne Allsop 29 JAN 1740 St Alkmund, Derby, Derby, England
ps she seems to have come from Quarndon - which makes it likely that she is the Anne I am looking for as John Sherwin lived at Mackworth - the next villiage along
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omskirk
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Lots of Allsops round Duffield area
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mallow
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This is for Francis
Thanks for that reply Francis, unfortunately I did not get back that far, I am stuck at 1791 as i cannot find a marriage for Thomas Allsopp who married Sarah? she was from Kings Bromley they married abt 1811 or 12 there were four sons that I know of from the 1841 Census one of which was my 3 Gt Grandfather Alfred Allsopp have you got any information from 1841
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mallow
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This is for Omskirk, yes I am looking at Duffield as a birthplace for Thomas Allsopp abt 1791, have you any more information, it would be much appreciated as I am stuck on Thomas.
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frances1966
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I have no other info on the Allsopps apart from the possibility of them marrying into the Sherwins.. sorry about that.
Frances
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omskirk
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I don't have much about Allsops but when i was looking at Bowlers in duffield I noticed plenty of Allsops, I do have one in my tree who I believe came from Duffield but have not followed up on this as yet, www.bowlerinfo.co.uk
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janan
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Hi Mallow
Not sure I can be of much help to you but my maiden-name is Allsopp. My lot came from Wirksworth, so thanks to John Palmer's fantastic site
http://www.wirksworth.org.uk/
I have them back to early 1625. It would be worth having a look on there as there is a lot of info aside from Parish records.
Also try
http://belper-research.com/
as there are some Duffield Parish records on there
Allsop(p) is very common in Derbyshire as they originated in Alsop en le Dale not far from Wirksworth - so can be tricky tracking them especially if they insist on calling children by same names as my lot do 
Regards Jan 
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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mallow
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Thanks jan, I know what you mean by family names my lot used the same names for generations, the only thing is mine used two p in the Allsopp surname maybe that would narrow it down, I will keep on looking for a miracle
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janan
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I wouldn't rely on the 2 pp's - in theory that is how my lot spell it but in practice, all variations occur Where are the family in 1841? And what places of birth do the children give on later censuses? As Thomas is a schoolmaster he might appear in a directory before 1841. Also consider Sarah might be a second marriage thus later than you are expecting.
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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frances1966
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Agreed as on the Mackworth parish records my sherwin family are down as Sherwin, Sharwin and Sherrin . There was no fixed spelling at that time so it was often how the clark on the day spelt it.
Interesting that your Alsop(p) relative was a school master, I have a similar ancester John Sherwin who was born in 1773 and is a school master on the 1841 census in Litchurch Street in Derby.
I just wondered how schools worked , I know that there weren't any state schools at this time, would there have been one master that took in pupils? does anyone know if there are any info or registers of schools. (I have the Derby School register but he is not on there)
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mallow
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Thanks for that Jan, yes you are right about spelling although my Grandfather insisted we spell it with two ps in 1841 the family are at Rotten Row in Lichfield "Sarah is a widow" that is how I am stuck on Thomas there were five sons Charles, Frederick, Alfred, Arthur, and Horace, two born Kings Bromley where Sarah was from ,two born Lichfield last child born "1827" so I am looking at a "14 year" search for death of Thomas not easy when you dont live near record office
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mallow
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Hi Frances I put a post on the occupation section about Schoolmasters that far back and I got a nice reply with information, have a look
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frances1966
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Thanks Mallow, I found the post very interesting. I have the school register for derby free shcool if anyone needs a look up. Derby Free School was a very old school in Derby later a Grammer School and then a comprehensive. However my relative is not listed as a Master there.
I'm pretty sure there were also smaller schools run by one or two people (man and wife) this was before the education act so you would have had to pay.
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mallow
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Glad to be of some help Frances, I am wondering if Schoolmasters moved around, mine seems to have done so, perhaps on four year contracts, reason for this speculation is, two of my Schoolmasters children were born in Kings Bromley one in Oldbury and two in Lichfield with abt four year gaps between places. Maybe he is on your register, as I have not found a school for him yet
"worth a look "
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