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Topic: A question of trac ing a submitter for an IGI entry (Read 503 times)
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Mars Barr
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Can anyone offer a suggestion on this query.
I have discovered on the IGI an entry made after 1991 by a Church member, concerning a couple of my ancestors, my possible 4 times gt grandparents
FRANCIS BAYLISS and LUCY MILLS
There is a difference in the birth/baptism date given for Francis, I have the correct info from the Buckingham parish record that he was baptised in 1764, the entry by the member gives 1766, correct date is given for Lucy, I have not found her date of death as yet, but the member has given her death as 1828, from my parish records Francis remarried his second wife in 1828, so I wonder if the member has the correct info.
It is very frustrating to know that out there somewhere is another descendant and that we must be related, but how can I trace who it was who made the IGI entry? I would welcome any suggestions as to how this problem could be solved.
Does anyone know of a way to trace anyone who has submitted an entry for the IGI, usually if an earlier entry has been made it is possible to find the submitter on the ancestral board, but for those after 1991 this is not possible
I would be so gratefiul if perhaps a Church member coul;d answer this query for me.
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Gartland (Canada) Copeland (Derby & Leicester) Barr (Greenock-Scotland)
Geoghan(Ireland) Jarvis (Essex)
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sarra
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Posts: 495
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Hi Mars Barr,
I have just being trying to find a submitter for an entry on the IGI too. .
On the IGI when you have the entry for your ancestor displayed, at the botton you will see - Source Information: Batch No. Source Call No: and so on. You can then go to your local Family History Reading (LDS) room. Quote the number at the botton of the page, they will then order Film in for you. You can then look at the entry and see who it was submitted by. I have just done this a few weeks ago - I was quite disappointed at what I found. I expected to find another researcher like myself with an interest in this family. The entries were transcribed from the BT's for the area in which the event took place. I also noticed that this person had lots of entries submitted to the LDS. Perhaps a person with an interest in transcribing records for the district, not necessarily his own Ancestors.
Hope you can understand what I am saying.
I just had a look on the IGI there are two entries for your Francis Bayliss - one says 1764, is an extracted record for the locality, the other one says 1766, is submitted by a member of the LDS. I'm finding with my own research I would rather rely on the Extracted one than the Submitted one.
Have a look at the Rootsweb.com site, World Connect project, there is someone else, researching a Francis Bayliss there.
Good luck.
Sarra
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Mars Barr
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Thank you Sarra for your reply, I was afraid that it might be the case of someone just entering transcriptions, but of course there is always a chance it MAY be another person researching the family, at least that is what I hope for.
I will have a look at the site you have mentioned Rootsweb,com and see if I can find who it is researching Francis
Is the number for that site just Rootsweb dot com? It would be great if I could contact someone who just might be a desecendant, I`ve not had much luck yet with that, I did find a connection a few years ago (an eldery gent) but sadly he was totally disinterested and would not tell me anything, except to say that the family had not been a close one! and he could not care less if I was related to him, so as you can imagine I was terribly disappointed, however, if there is some one who is also researching, then the contact should be different (I hope)
being elderly myself I am painfully aware that time could run out before I
I find someone to share research with.
Thanks for your interest and suggestion re the other site.
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sarra
RootsChat Senior
Posts: 495
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Mars Barr,
If you Google for Rootsweb.com you will find it. If you click on this link(at botton) you will open at this page - just type in Francis Bayliss, you should find a Heather Rohrer who has listed your Francis. She doesn't have that much information for Francis but at least she is another researcher on your line. Hope she is of some help to you. I guess some of us want to know as much as we can about our Ancestors - others have no desire at all. I'll keep digging forever.
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/
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sarra
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Many thanks for the update Mars Barr - Do hope you receive an answer to your email. It would be lovely for you to find a living relative. Let us know the outcome.
Sarra
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Mars Barr
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Hi Sarra
I have received an answer to my e mail from Helen Rohrer, she is not directly related to the Bayliss side, although she does have a fair amount of info. I`m still no wiser than before with regard to my gt grandmother (Mary Hannah Copeland nee Harris)
However, my son has now discovered a marriage for my gt grandfather in 1910 to an Annie Packer, and we are now awaiting the certificate to confirm if it is indeed him, if so, it would mean then that my gt grandmother Mary Hannah had to dfed around that year, but of course not knowing her surname for that time, I`m still no nearer in finding her.
We had not thought to try and trace a marriage as late as 1910 considering that she disappeared after 1881 we had thought to begin with that she may have died in the 1800s, so it would appear now, that gt grandfather could not marry his Annie until the death of Mary HAnnah.
It seems no wonder now that this could have been the reason why I never heard anything about gt grandfather, to the family then, this would have been a scandal, him "LIVING IN SIN" as it would have been termed then
and also Mary Hannah, it was as though she never existed!
still, so many secrets have now been uncovered, its as good as reading
a novel!
Well, must plod on again and see what more we can find out
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sarra
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Mars Barr, Glad to hear your news. Also that you have your son to help solve the puzzle. I have five children and not one of them is interested in helping me with the family history. I'm trying to find my husband's late Father's family. We only know their christian names. We can't even get his birth certificate from Tasmania, as far as they are concerned he did not exist. So the search continues.
Hope the certificate you are awaiting, will solve your mystery.
Sarra
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Mars Barr
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Hi Sarra,
Well at last another mystery solved, the certificate has just arrived and to my excitement it is the right one, it is indeed my gt grandfather, and he married Annie Packer (a spinster) in 1910 in Derby.
Now I have a firm clue as to when wife Mary Hannah died, and possibly
perhaps in Derby, I now have to search for all Mary Hannah deaths for 1910 and backwards, we had always assumed that she must have died perhaps in the 1800s. So I`m glad now that my son decided to have one more search, this time he decided to work backwards from when we knew George Nelson died (in 1913), so to say I was thrilled when his name came up, is an understatement, I could hardly wait for the certificate to confirm it was hime at last
I hope you will have success also, it does seem at times that a brick wall will never crack, but do`nt give up hope, I`ve been searching for information about my gt grandfather for some years now and had thought
I would never solve the mystery. Now I know why he was never spoken off!
I am lucky that my son is so keen, he started with my late husband, beause he had never known his parents or why he had been put into a children`s home when very young, now he has traced the Jarvis family back into the 1600s and he is still not finished!
He just suggested one day, when he had hit a slow patch, that I have a go at my family, I never dreamt about the many secrets that have been uncovered, how I wish I had been able to question some of my relatives before they all died! but then, perhaps they would not have answered any questions anyway
Good luck with your research, don`t give up hope
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sarra
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Hello Mars Barr,
Good to hear you have solved part of your mystery.
I have become addicted to this Family history research, so I will keep digging until I can dig no more.
Sarra
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