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Lookup please 1851
« on: Saturday 23 October 04 18:18 BST (UK) »

Hi
 could you please lookup this family in carlisle 1851
this is the info I have from the 1841 Botchergate
John Sewell age 55 cotton weaver
Mary wife age 55
William age 30
Sarah age 25
Mary age 25
John age 13 cotton weaver [my G grandfather]
Mary age 6 mths

1861 census 3 Fodens court John now married

John Sewell 33 cotton spinner Ggrandfather]
Mary Sewell age 27
James age 8
John age 4
Mary Ann 17 mths
I would like to know where John was in 1851
was he still living with his parents or was he married
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Re: Lookup please 1851
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 October 04 16:08 BST (UK) »

Hi,
I only have part of the index, but here are all the Sewells I could find-
20 Brook Street, Carlisle
Elizabeth Sewell  Head  W  45  Domestic Duties  b-Askham Wes
Mary  Dau  18  Straw Bonnet Maker  b-Laithes Cul
Elizabeth  Dau  16  Worker in Cotton Mill  b-Laithes Cul
John  Son  15  Marble Polisher  b-Appleby Wes
Agnes  Dau  13  Worker in Cotton Mill  b-Appleby Wes
Mary  Dau  9  Scholar  b-Carlisle Cul
sarah  Dau  5  b-Haltwistle Nbl
HO107/2429  Folio:306 Page 48  & Folio:307  Page 49

Greystone Houses, Carlisle
Janet Hannah  Head  W  53  Spinner  b-Sct
Mary  Dau  16  Working in Wollen Mill  b-Sct
John  Son  14  Working in Wollen Mill Piecer  b-Sct
Hannah Sewell  Lodg  18  Working in Wollen Mill  b-Liverpool Lan
HO107/2429  Folio:307  Page 50

I don't know if this is any help Undecided
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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 October 04 16:35 BST (UK) »

thanks Ange
not mine Im afraid looking for the marriage of my Ggrandparents but cant finde a trace of John disapeared after 1841 from Carlisle then reapeard in 1861 married
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Re: Lookup please 1851
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 17 November 04 15:05 GMT (UK) »

Hi Audrey

Result of search for 1851 census for Carlisle   HO107  2429
Township of Botchergate

(Schedule No 135)     East Street

John Sewell   Marr    69 yrs   Cotton Weaver          bn Carlisle, Cumberland
Mary              Wife    68         Weavers wife                 Wigton, Cumberland
William           U        46         Cotton Weaver               Carlisle, Cumberland
Sarah            Wid      36        Cotton Weaver               Carlisle, Cumberland
Joseph          G/son     9                                               Carlisle, Cumberland


(Schedule No 134)   East Street

John Lawrence   Marr   48 yrs   Tailor                          Carlisle, Cumberland
Elizabeth            Wife   51                                       Blackburn, Lancs
Edmond             Son    24        Cotton Spinner             Carlisle, Cumberland

John Sewell  U  Lodger  27     Cotton Spinner             Preston, Lancs

Trust this is of value

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Re: Lookup please 1851
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 17 November 04 15:17 GMT (UK) »

thanks thats wonderfull infact thats BRILL thats him OK now to fined the nearest church and I might end my 5 year hunt for his marriage but why is he living next door to his mother as a lodger? thats got me thinking
thanks for you help
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Re: Lookup please 1851
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 17 November 04 15:30 GMT (UK) »

The nearest church was Christ Church, Botchergate (Long since demolished)
I think the full list is:

St Cuthberts
Holy Trinity  (demolished)
St James
St Johns
St Marys
St Pauls
St Stephens
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Re: Lookup please 1851
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 17 November 04 20:15 GMT (UK) »

Andy
thats great I have been through my birth cert and the first two are St cuthberts so I am on the right track and I also found some new info from the census you sent Great grandmother Mary was born wigton so there is another lead
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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 18 November 04 10:42 GMT (UK) »

Andy could i be bold and ask for another look up I am looking now for my great grandmother Mary Douglas b 1834 Scotland she was the wife of John Sewell you found for me yesterday I am desperately trying to find their marriage although born in Scotland I know she was living Carlisle  I know its a long shot with so Little info
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Re: Lookup please 1851
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 18 November 04 12:19 GMT (UK) »

Hi Audrey,

Please clarify - have I to try and search St Cuthbert marriage records, or am I doing another 1851 census record search for Mary Douglas?
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« Reply #9 on: Thursday 18 November 04 12:36 GMT (UK) »

sorry for the confusion i do have difficulty explaining my self I suppose at the end of the day I am trying to fined a marriage between JOHN SEWELL and MARY DOUGLAS between 1851 and 1854 when the first child was born never been abel to trace it and I thought by tracing John and Mary it would give me an idea where to look  I have all there kids birth cert but need the marriage details to get some info on parents, Ive got 10 John and Marys in carlisle all  producing offspring and calling all the kids the same name
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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 18 November 04 12:47 GMT (UK) »

Noted. I'll commence a search when time permits. Please bear with me.
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« Reply #11 on: Thursday 18 November 04 13:40 GMT (UK) »

andy
many thanks you are a gem I O U big time
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« Reply #12 on: Thursday 25 November 04 21:22 GMT (UK) »

Hi Audrey

Carried out a search of marriage records for St Cuthberts Parish - Jan 1850 - Nov 1856 - I can find no record of John Sewell marrying Mary Douglas.

There is a John Sewell (Railway Guard) of Long Island, Carlisle, marrying an Anne Beckton (Servant) of Lowther Street. Sewells father is listed as John Sewell (Bookkeeper) and Becktons father shown as Thomas Beckton (Steward). Ceremony took place on 27th April 1851

I think I will do a census check for Mary Douglas in 1851 census. If she was living in another parish, perhaps they got married there.
(Might she have got hitched in Dumfries, seeing as she was originally from there?)
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« Reply #13 on: Thursday 25 November 04 21:50 GMT (UK) »

thanks Andy
I have tried Scotland nothing there I have a feeling Mary was living Carlisle but cant be sure if i didn't have both death certs i would be inclind to think they were never married but Marys says widow of John Sewell deceased and his says husband of Mary Sewell ne Douglas
I have tried the 1837 site
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Re: Lookup please 1851
« Reply #14 on: Friday 26 November 04 21:45 GMT (UK) »

Hi Audrey,

1851 Carlisle Census Surname Index shows only 3 X Mary Douglas

Fiche 51, St Mary  HO107/2430
Blackfriars Street
Schedule no 117

Christopher Douglas      Head    Marr     42yrs        Husbandman               Canonbie, Scotland
Mary            Douglas      Wife     Marr      43yrs                "                         Cumberland, Dalston
Arabella      Reed           Dau      Marr      18yrs        Grocers Wife                        "               "
Mary           Douglas      Dau        U         16yrs        Dressmaker                          "              "
Margaret    Douglas       Dau       U          13yrs       Scholar                                  "              "
Hannah      Douglas      Dau         U           9yrs          "                                        "               "

And

Fiche 53
Schedule no 35
46 Fisher Street

Philip Sayers               Head   Marr  36yrs   Gunner Royal Horse Artillery            Sussex, Brighton
Mary  Sayers              Wife     Marr   35yrs                                                         Kent, Hunton
Frances Sayers          Dau       U       10yrs    At Home                                           Kent, (looks like Lee)
Edward  Sayers         Son       U          1yr                                     Cumberland, Carlisle

Mary Douglas        Servant     U        34yrs    House Servant                         Cumberland, Carlisle

(I suspect not your Mary)

None of these show place of birth Dumfries

Therefore checked St Marys Marriage records 1851 - 1856 for Sewell and Douglas  - no record

I will try a check for Christ Church marriages, then I think I must retire!

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