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Topic: 1st cousins, 2nd cousins, 2nd cousins 5x removed, how do you work it out? (Read 835 times)
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CJ
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I have been contacted by other researchers on GRU some have stated that we are 2nd cousins 5x removed or similar. How do you work it out. I knwo what 1st cousins are of course. I think that it is easier to say distant cousins! I was just curious how to work it out though!
Many thanks!
CJ
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Bailey, Beckett, Blanchard, Bradley, Bromham, Brook, Butler, Carter, Clarkson, Cox, Crowther, Dewhirst, Dixon, Fell, Field, Galleymore, Goddard, Harrison, Hayes, Hensby, Hillas, Hodgson, Hollings, Hutchinson, Jolly, Knowles, Lightowler, Mandeville, Marshall, Mitchell, Moulds, Murgatroyd, Oldfield, Panter, Parrott, Platt, Rawlings/Rawlins (and other spellings!), Richardson, Scott, Smith, Steele, Taylor, Tee, Thompson, Taylor, Thorp, Waterhouse, Watson, Wing, Woodend
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Biker
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Annie, I didn't say it was easy did I 
That's why if they're not on my direct line or close to it, they are 'distant relatives'.
I'll wait for your easy calculator!
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Gadget
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It's ever so easy - you don't need a diagram or anything! Just work back to your common x grandparents. That gives you the degree of cousinship - common grandparents, 1st, grt - 2nd etc. then use the generation level to work out the 'removed' bit - my father's 1st cousin is my 1st cousin, once removed, etc.
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CJ
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Thanks for all your help!
CJ
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Bailey, Beckett, Blanchard, Bradley, Bromham, Brook, Butler, Carter, Clarkson, Cox, Crowther, Dewhirst, Dixon, Fell, Field, Galleymore, Goddard, Harrison, Hayes, Hensby, Hillas, Hodgson, Hollings, Hutchinson, Jolly, Knowles, Lightowler, Mandeville, Marshall, Mitchell, Moulds, Murgatroyd, Oldfield, Panter, Parrott, Platt, Rawlings/Rawlins (and other spellings!), Richardson, Scott, Smith, Steele, Taylor, Tee, Thompson, Taylor, Thorp, Waterhouse, Watson, Wing, Woodend
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Gadget
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CJ that would mean quite a generation shift though!
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Gadget
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Second cousins, 5 times removed would look something like this on your chart:
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C D Siblings
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E F First cousins - common grandparents
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G H Second cousins - common grt grandparents
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J H & J - 2nd once removed
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K H & K - 2nd twice removed
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L H & L - 2nd three times removed
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M H & M - 2nd four times removed
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N H & N - 2nd five times removed
Also, F would be N's first cousin, six times removed, etc.
Hope this helps 
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Newf
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20000 or bust ...... whats a Marquessate anyway ?
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It's ever so easy - you don't need a diagram or anything! Just work back to your common x grandparents. That gives you the degree of cousinship - common grandparents, 1st, grt - 2nd etc. then use the generation level to work out the 'removed' bit - my father's 1st cousin is my 1st cousin, once removed, etc.
Gadget
Yep - in other words count the 'G's back to the common ancestor on each line ...
The number of 'G's you share, is the 'number' of cousins you are ...
The difference in the number of G's is the level of 'removal'
Eg. Yourself - back to G*2 Grandparents yields 3 'G's; a relation back to same G*2 Grandparents, yields say 5 - you are 3rd cousins, twice [5-3] removed.
Incidentally, Be sure to use the nearest Original Ancestors that you share or you can come up with such ridiculous things as:
Since my Grandparents are my son's Great-Grandparents, therefore my Son is my first cousin, once removed (1C1R)
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Gadget
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Correct - 4th twice removed.
You know, I'm so daft, I wrote it down and worked it out
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sorry, editted to clarify summat and spoiled your response 
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk PLEDGER 1678, Gt BardField, Essex EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington LILLEY 1711, Ickleton, Cambs DAVISON 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs BOWER 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs CHASE 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk LAIRD 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk GOWENLOCK 1850, Carlisle KEW 1814, Carlisle |
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Gadget
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Our system of kinship is one of the simpler ones. I think it is what is called 'bifurcate merging' - ie. different terms for husband/wife, son/daughter, brother/ sister, mother/father but then they all become cousins, aunts, uncles, grandparents, nephews, nieces.
Robin Fox was an excellent tutor 
Other societies have far more elaborate systems - but more descriptive and useful in many ways.
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