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Edwin Perkin JOHNS
« on: Saturday 10 June 06 09:39 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Iam tracing my Gran-father's family. He Emigrated to Australia in 1922c.
His mother and father went to Canada c 1922-25.
with his siblings.
Albert Johns ( 1877)  married Elizabeth Jane Nicholls (1882).......her father was Josiah Nichollsmy Grna-father Edwin Perkin Johns Dec 31 1906 Devonport....though lived in St Ives....
any help would be gratley appreciated.
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Re: Edwin Perkin JOhns
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 11 June 06 12:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Wendy

1901 census - 5 Northumberland St Devonport
RG13/2111 F131 p21
Alfred Johns Head 24 Kingsbridge Devon Horse Waggoner
Elizabeth Jane Johns wife 21 St Ives Cornwall
James Alfred Johns son 3 months St Budeaux Devon

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Essex; Livermore, Barker  Norfolk; Wood, Lack, Spurgeon, Long Wiltshire; Ricketts, Sealey, Dew  Lincs; Drage  Cumberland; McNicol, Bowman  Lancashire; Brogden, Davis  NSW, Inverell; Ricketts, Robinson  Carcoar; Robinson, Thurtell, Wood  Braidwood; Simpson, Brogden  St Marys; Carpenter, Tolhurst, Dredge, Beahan  Bathurst; Bayliss
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Re: Edwin Perkin JOhns
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 11 June 06 13:33 BST (UK) »
Hi Cazay,
Thank you this is the family....this child (James Alfred)  I beleive died at an early age......do you have any info for this?
The children of Alfred & Elizabeth are;
Emma Alice 1905
Edwin Perkin 1906
Stephen J 1908
Daniel A 1911
Doreen Evelyn 1916
All the above excluding Edwin went to Canada......Edwin came to Australia.....
My query now is to try and find the parents of Alfred & Elizabeth,
Many Thanks,
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Re: Edwin Perkin JOhns
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 11 June 06 13:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Wendy

I think this might be Elizabeth's family in 1891

Skidden Hill St Ives Cornwall RG12/1854 F149 p14
Josiah Nicholls Widower 46 Plymouth Devon Labourer
William Nicholls son 20 St Ives Cornwall Fisherman
Annie H Nicholls dau 19 St Ives Cornwall
Josiah Nicholls son 16 St Ives Cornwall Fisherman
Elizabeth J Nicholls dau 10 St ives Cornwall Scholar
Thomas H Nicholls son 6 St Ives Cornwall Scholar
Sarah C Nicholls dau 4 St Ives Cornwall
Daniel Nicholls son 2 St Ives Cornwall

Are you looking for the births for Alfred and Elizabeth's children?  You can search on http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
for them.

Do you want me to look further in the census for the families?

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Essex; Livermore, Barker  Norfolk; Wood, Lack, Spurgeon, Long Wiltshire; Ricketts, Sealey, Dew  Lincs; Drage  Cumberland; McNicol, Bowman  Lancashire; Brogden, Davis  NSW, Inverell; Ricketts, Robinson  Carcoar; Robinson, Thurtell, Wood  Braidwood; Simpson, Brogden  St Marys; Carpenter, Tolhurst, Dredge, Beahan  Bathurst; Bayliss
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 11 June 06 13:52 BST (UK) »


  Here is Elizabeth 1881....

 RG11/2341 F107 P7

4Harrys Court St Ives Cornwall

 Josiah Nicholls   hd m 36 Plymouth Fisherman
Elizabeth            wi m 34 St Ives    fishermans wife
William              son 10 St Ives Scholar
Ann                   dau 9    "   "       "    "
Josiah               son 6    "    "       "    "
Charles             son 3   "    "        "    "
ELIZABETH        DAU 3 MONTHS st Ives


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Re: Edwin Perkin JOhns
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 11 June 06 13:58 BST (UK) »
Hey you great people......Thanks you so much .....this is getting exciting.......if you have more or can find more info I would be most grateful to you All......
Have been trying other sites with no luck....so glad I found you.....
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Re: Edwin Perkin JOhns
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 11 June 06 14:10 BST (UK) »



   Hi found this as a possible for their marriage..


  Penzance  1870 Q1 Josiah Stephen Nicholls
                                  Elizabeth Berriman

                          vol 5c page 387

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 11 June 06 14:17 BST (UK) »
1871, Virgin St, St Ives Cornwall RG10/2334 F27 p6
William Berriman H 47 Prussia Seaman
Ann H Berriman wife 47 St Ives
Ann H Berriman dau 23 St Ives Domestic Servant
William Berriman son 17 St Ives Fisherman
Caroline Berriman dau 13 St Ives Scholar
Sarah Berriman dau 11 St Ives Scholar
Amelia Berriman dau 3 St Ives
Josiah S Nicholls son in law 26 Plymouth Fisherman
Elizabeth D Nicholls dau 23 St Ives
William B Nicholls grandson 10 months St Ives

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Re: Edwin Perkin JOhns
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 11 June 06 14:18 BST (UK) »
Marriage looks to be a good match to the 1871 census Tazzie
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Re: Edwin Perkin JOhns
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 11 June 06 14:27 BST (UK) »



   Thanks Cazay.....team work  Grin Grin

   HOW ABOUT....Death Josiah Stephen Nicholls
                                   Q1 1907 St Austell Cornwall
                                        vol 5c   pagr 78.

                         Trying to pin down birth .

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Re: Edwin Perkin JOhns
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 11 June 06 14:37 BST (UK) »
Thanks....I knew the name Berriman was in there somewhere.....wasnt game to ask in case I was wrong....
there are two other names that come up in the family that I havent been able to track down....That is Couch and Wedge!!!
These names came about when I received a picture of my late GAunts wedding .....the brides maids were;
Nora Couch ( half sister to Phyliss & Stanley Sisley) apperntly the Couch's were deemed to be cousin's....Phyliss was also a brides maid..... this marriage was in Canada...
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1861 Trevalgan St Ives Cornwall RG9/1589 F29 p5
John Hollow H 28 Zennor Cornwall Farmer of 23 acres employing 1 lab
Jane Hollow wife 25 Zennor Cornwall
Jane Hollow dau St Ives
Anna Hollow dau 1 St Ives
Nanny Hollow dau 3 mths St Ives
Josiah S Nicholls servant 16 Plymouth Ag Lab

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Essex; Livermore, Barker  Norfolk; Wood, Lack, Spurgeon, Long Wiltshire; Ricketts, Sealey, Dew  Lincs; Drage  Cumberland; McNicol, Bowman  Lancashire; Brogden, Davis  NSW, Inverell; Ricketts, Robinson  Carcoar; Robinson, Thurtell, Wood  Braidwood; Simpson, Brogden  St Marys; Carpenter, Tolhurst, Dredge, Beahan  Bathurst; Bayliss
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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 11 June 06 14:56 BST (UK) »
Wendy, see if we come across those names in the census, if not they are probably in Canada.

1861, Virgin St, St Ives Cornwall RG9/1590 F31 p20
William Berriman H 40 Dantjie Russia Mariner
Ann H Berriman wife 38 St Ives
John R Berriman son 15 St Ives Fisherman
Ann H Berriman dau 13 St Ives Scholar
Elizabeth P Berriman dau 13 St Ives Scholar
William Berriman son 7 St Ives Scholar
Caroline G Berriman dau 5 St Ives Scholar
Sarah Berriman dau 2 St Ives
Jane P Berriman dau 11 St Ives Scholar

William's place of birth on the image looks more like Dantzre Prussia?

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« Reply #13 on: Sunday 11 June 06 15:12 BST (UK) »
1851, Wharf St Ives Cornwall H0107/1917 F415 p5
Ann H Berriman H 28 St Ives Seamans Wife
Ann H Berriman dau 3 St Ives
Eliza I Berriman dau 3 St Ives
Jane P Berriman dau 9 mths St Ives
George Kimme Visitor unm 19 London Mdx Sailor

Do you know if Elizabeth and Ann are twins?

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Essex; Livermore, Barker  Norfolk; Wood, Lack, Spurgeon, Long Wiltshire; Ricketts, Sealey, Dew  Lincs; Drage  Cumberland; McNicol, Bowman  Lancashire; Brogden, Davis  NSW, Inverell; Ricketts, Robinson  Carcoar; Robinson, Thurtell, Wood  Braidwood; Simpson, Brogden  St Marys; Carpenter, Tolhurst, Dredge, Beahan  Bathurst; Bayliss
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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 11 June 06 15:19 BST (UK) »


  Two more names to add....

   Caroline Gilbert Berriman m Richard Phillips
            Penzance Q4 1883 5c page 447

So... RG12/1854 F 97 P25 SCH 134
  Harveys Court Penzance

   Phillips  Richard hd m m 29 fisherman  Cornwall St Ives
               Caroline wi m f 32
              Caroline dau u f 7 scholar
               Richard  son u m 5 scholar
BERRIMAN WILLIAM boarder w m 77 retired mariner org. foreign Prussia.

  So now we have Phillips but also Gilbert as a second name

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