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Madraykin
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A bit of a challenge for everyone
« on: Friday 16 June 06 13:59 BST (UK) »

Right........ I'm trying to find evidence for the birth of my GGG GF John Harwood (1844, Church Lench). Until this morning I had found him on the 1861-1901 census, but not on the 1851 (strange, considering he was only 6/7). This morning I found a John HARROD, born 1844 in Church Lench (living with a family of HOLDER's and relationship stated as 'nephew's son'). I can't see a John HARROD on the later censuses, so am hoping that this mistranscription is the key to me finding some more info! So I'm back on this trail again......

I know from John's marriage certificate that he was born in Church or Sheriff's Lench in 1844, and that his father was Joseph Harwood but, as yet, I've found no evidence of a birth being recorded for him.....

Can anyone help???
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Re: A bit of a challenge for everyone
« Reply #1 on: Friday 16 June 06 14:07 BST (UK) »




  Hi Madraykin....

For starters how about this,,,,

   John HARROD  B Q1 1844 Evesham   v 18 page 409.

That would be distict for Church Lench.

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Re: A bit of a challenge for everyone
« Reply #2 on: Friday 16 June 06 14:18 BST (UK) »

That's the only thing I have at the moment - I'm just impatient as I have no spare cash due to having to pay a stupid deposit on my new flat!!!! Was hoping someone might have the CDs hanging around, have been trying to find the people who helped me with a similar question before, but can't remember the names!
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Re: A bit of a challenge for everyone
« Reply #3 on: Friday 16 June 06 14:18 BST (UK) »

Sorry, how terribly rude of me,

Thanks ever so much for the info!
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« Reply #4 on: Friday 16 June 06 14:33 BST (UK) »




  Hi again.....

  No problem.... the name appears as both in the area ( Worcestershire)
  So would be good if someone could get the P.R'S .In 1881 their is another family in Church Lench as Harwood headed by Thomas so a pss relly there as well.

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Re: A bit of a challenge for everyone
« Reply #5 on: Friday 16 June 06 14:35 BST (UK) »

It really is the most frustrating thing - I've followed all other lines from my family back to the 1600s and some even to the 1500s, but I can't get further back than 1844 with my own name!!!!

The law of the Sod, methinks!!!!

Must try busking for the few quid a certificate costs I guess....... or try and find somewhere to park in Worcester *shudders*
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« Reply #6 on: Friday 16 June 06 14:44 BST (UK) »




 Tell me about it stuck at 1822 with mine..... hubby (no interest till now )
  Oh    !!!! back to @1600. Makes you want to spit  Grin

  Anyway    you have dad as Joseph any idea on mum ? Or who are teh family he is with 1851 ?

 Getting good with GRO listings

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Re: A bit of a challenge for everyone
« Reply #7 on: Friday 16 June 06 14:52 BST (UK) »

No idea on Mum at all to be honest (which is quite annoying).

I'm trying to wangle my dear old Dad paying for a couple of months on Ancestry again (he used to pay my fees a while back - me being a poor PhD student and all - but all has run out now *sob*)

The household (I don't have much info or an image, which is frustrating) for the 1851 is in Church Lench.

William Holder, Head, born 1797 in Forthampton, Glos.
Charlotte Holder, Wife, born 1803 in Church Lench, Worcs.
Mary Holder, Daughter, born 1834 in Church Lench, Worcs.
John Harrod, nephew's son, born 1844 in Church Lench, Worcs.

I'm not even sure it's him, I'm just following this lead as I can't find my John Harwood with the same D & POB on the 1851 and, similarly, I can't find John HARROD on any of the following censuses - I was just wondering if the name had been written down wrong.......

But if he's a nephew's son - a great nephew - that would (if I'm right) make John HARROD's grandmother William Holder's sister??? So, if it is a mistranscription (or name change), she must have married a HARWOOD/HARROD - what do you think?

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Re: A bit of a challenge for everyone
« Reply #8 on: Friday 16 June 06 16:32 BST (UK) »




  Hi Madraykin.....


OR.. he could be nephew's son on William's wife side and so his grandmother could be her sister . Or brother his grandfather....I think I am loosing the plot on this one already... Grin

Anyway IGI has Charlotte Tandy bapt1803 Church Lench with a possible sister called Mary ( dau also called Mary so ?)

Will check some marriages the above is member submitted so not
  100%.

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Re: A bit of a challenge for everyone
« Reply #9 on: Friday 16 June 06 17:39 BST (UK) »

Hi There

Do you by any chance belong to one of the Worcestershire mailing list if so its well worth putting a request for look up on them as I have had some positive responses from a chap who goes to the record office a lot

All the very best of luck

Phil
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Re: A bit of a challenge for everyone
« Reply #10 on: Friday 16 June 06 22:48 BST (UK) »

1841 census HO107 1191/2A folio 3 Page 7
Church Lench 
Joseph Harrod 20  Worcestershire Male Servant

1851 census HO107 2075 folio 404
Hill Top Feckenham  Worcestershire
George Harwood 15  Church Lench, Worcestershire, Farm Servant 

1861 census RG9 2101 folio 71
Central part of Village Church Lench  Worcestershire   
William Holder 65  Fourthampton, Gloucestershire, Head  Married Ag lab
Charlotte Holder 60 Church Lench, Worcestershire,  Wife  Married Field woman
Mary Ann Holder 25 Church Lench, Worcestershire, Daughter Unmarried Seamstress
Lucy Holder 5 Church Lench, Worcestershire, Granddaughter   
George Harrod 25  Church Lench, Worcestershire, Nephew  Unmarried Ag lab

1841 census HO107 1197/17 folio 4 page 9
Church Lench  Worcestershire   
Benjamin Harred 40  Worcestershire Ag lab
Sarah Harred 40 Worcestershire
Elizabeth Harred 15  Worcestershire
Mary Harred 13 Worcestershire
William Harred 9  Worcestershire
George Harred 6 Worcestershire

1851 census HO107 2044 folio 235
Church Lench  Worcestershire   
Benjamin Harrod 56  Birlingham, Worcestershire, Head  Married Agricultural labourer
Sarah Harrod 52  Church Lench, Worcestershire,  Wife Married Charwoman

1851 census HO107 2044 folio 55
Workhouse  Great Hampton and Little Hampton  Worcestershire 
Mary Harwood 23 Church Lench, Worcestershire,  Inmate Unmarried Pauper
Ann Harwood 8 mths  Church Lench, Worcestershire, Inmate Pauper

1851 census HO107 2044 folio 254
Abbots Landfield Fladbury  Worcestershire   
Thomas Harwood 30  Church Lench, Worcestershire, Head  Married Farm Labourer
Elizabeth Harwood 30  Rouse Lench, Worcestershire,  Wife Married

Church Lench registers are not on the IGI

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Re: A bit of a challenge for everyone
« Reply #11 on: Monday 19 June 06 09:12 BST (UK) »

Many thanks to everyone for their help here - thanks muchly to Valda - I'm especially interested in that first listing, as my John's father was Joseph, born circa 1820!

Piece of (hopefully) great and intriguing news is that I wrote an email to my Nan about this possibility, and she's come back telling me that my Grandad was often known as Malcolm HORRAD when they were in school - that gives me some faith in this tangent at least!
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