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Re: BROWNs of OCHILTREE: Definite Family Connections-2 Brothers Marry 2 Sisters.
« Reply #15 on: Monday 29 September 08 14:14 UTC (UK) »
Hi Jeanette,
I believe we are related through Janet Brown and Alexander Hutchison. Could you please contact me via personal messages. I'd love to share the information I have with you.
Thanks,
Sean Cowan
Perth, Australia
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Re: BROWNs of OCHILTREE: Definite Family Connections-2 Brothers Marry 2 Sisters.
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 30 September 08 03:10 UTC (UK) »
Hello Seancowan,

Welcome to RootsChat, I am very pleased that you have made contact.  I have read your three Posts and the Personal Message.

I have not been active with my research for quite a few months, basically because I came to a standstill, and also active with other things.

I will have to delve into my research,  and try to work out again where all the pieces fit.

It is great to be back on RootsChat, as there are so many helpful people here, who have assisted me in the past.

Your contact has rekindled my quest for further knowledge of our Family Connections, which has been a Burn(s)ing desire of mine.

Hoping to get back to you soon.

Jeanette H.
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Research Names & Areas:
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Ayrshire, Scotland: BROWN / BAIRD / BURNS(BURNESS) / HUTCHISON / COWAN / REID / WYL(L)IE
Roxburghshire, Scotland: TURNBULL / VEITCH /  ELLIOT / MURRAY
Aberdeenshire, Scotland: WATT / MITCHELL
England: TOPPING / MEDLEY
Ireland: MORROW
Australia: BROWN / BAIRD / TURNBULL / WATT / TOPPING / MORROW / MEDLEY / TACKI
Germany: ECKHARDT / HUBNER / TACKI
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Re: BROWNs of OCHILTREE: Definite Family Connections-2 Brothers Marry 2 Sisters.
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 30 September 08 03:33 UTC (UK) »
Hi Jeanette,
Wonderful to see you're still keeping an eye on rootschat. I must say, this link with Burns has me quite intrigued. The ages dont seem to quite match up, but I think perhaps there is a link between our Janet Brown and Robert's mother, Agnes Brown, through Kirkoswald. Their ages put them a generation apart, so I cant see that they could be sisters (which means Samuel Hutchison would not be Robbie Burns' first cousin). But Janet could be Agnes' aunt. Or she could be a cousin herself given the amount of children they had in those days. The Browns of Kirkoswald were prolific breeders!
I'm looking forward to hearing about the information passed down by your family about how Burns fit into the picture.
Kind regards,
Sean
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Re: BROWNs of OCHILTREE: Definite Family Connections-2 Brothers Marry 2 Sisters.
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 30 September 08 09:12 UTC (UK) »
Hi again Jeanette H,
Further to my message of this morning, I've made some interesting headway on the Janet Brown/Agnes Brown link. As you've pointed out, there is a discrepancy between their ages. Janet was born in 1715. Agnes' father was only born in 1708 and her parents only married in 1731. Agnes was born in 1732. I think it exceedingly unlikely they were sisters.
However, they could well have been related. The only Janet Brown baptised in the whole of Ayrshire (according to surviving records) in 1715 was baptised in Kirkoswald - where Agnes Brown's family was from. This Janet Brown's parents were Samuel Brown and Agnes Logie. They had married in 1713.
If Janet Brown and Alexander Hutchison used the old Scottish naming convention whereby the first male child was named after the maternal grandfather and the first female child after the maternal grandmother, we can work out that Janet's parents would have been named Samuel Brown and Agnes. So, this fits quite nicely, both date-wise and name-wise.
However, Kirkoswald's records only date from 1694 and I have been unable to work out whether Samuel Brown was perhaps a brother to Agnes Brown's grandfather (or similar).
I had almost given up, until I found a reference in Scotland's National Library to the Cowie Collection - a famed collection of Burns manuscripts. Among the collection is the following reference: "the marriage contract of Samuel Brown and Agnes Logie, 1713". I can only assume Charles Cowie knew of the relationship....
Hope to hear from you soon.
Sean
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