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choccobaby
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i just dragged the record up on ancestry,com
correct surname is HOLBROW with 2 o's
somehow and o was missed and it shows HOLBRW, no wondr hes been so hard to find
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MaryA
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I'm not so sure about that one Tati, the father's age is quite a bit out and birthplace reads Wiltshire to me, not Gloucestershire as it did in 1861 
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukLunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire), Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire), Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford) Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin) |
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choccobaby
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the actual census looks like john Holbow.
on the 1860, i compared the typed enrty again the document view.
Its and ancestry mess up.
Think they will give me years free subscription for messing my family up.
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choccobaby
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ok, try this one
? lodge mangotsfield its tom holbrow
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MaryA
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1861
Hill House Lodge, Mangotsfield, Gloucestershire
Tom Holbrow
I think that might be the one I gave you earlier?
You seem to be assuming that the transcriptions on the indexes is accurate on Ancestry and that's why you can't find your man. Unfortunately that is far from the case, even when the names are legible there are many typing errors to be taken into account, the "Holborw" one being a typical example, but as you can see from the images themselves, many of them are extremely hard to read and although we complain at some of the transcriptions, others have had a good attempt made to read them.
You'll find that there are many postings on Rootschat which have suggested various ways of searching inventively, one being by using a first name and date in the area you expect them to be, another perhaps with just the first name and birthplace, especially if they have given that birthplace in two different censuses, then the likelihood is that they gave it in another.
One of my favourite methods is to search for neighbours and see if they are still living in the same street ten years earlier/later and see if my family is still there too, that's worked often.
Keep trying different methods and they will turn up somewhere, just with an unexpected spelling.
One point I picked up on, you never explained your statement in your first post I have George holbrow born 1849 clifton Bristol (this is confirmed)
I'm suspecting that you got this information from the BMD indexes - September qtr, Vol 11 Page 28_.
If this is the case, then Clifton is a registration district not necessarily the place where they lived. A registration district can cover a very large area with many villages and towns within it. The only way you are going to know his birthplace and address is by ordering the birth certificate. Although the transcriber seems to think that the third number is not legible, you can ask either the GRO for this and give the information that you have, or look at the image itself and try to work it out, or indeed speak to or write to the Clifton/Bristol Register Office themselves and find out where the registers for that time are kept and order it directly from them. The cost in both cases should be approximately £7 although some local Register Offices apparently have slightly different charges.
I hope this is of some help to you
Mary
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukLunt (Wavertree/West Derby), Forshaw (West Derby), Richardson (Knowsley), Kent (Cheshire), Cain (Hertfordshire, London), Larkins (Bedfordshire, London), Nunn (London), Lenton, Hillyard (Bedfordshire), Parle, Lambert, Furlong, Wafer (Wexford) Special separate interest in Longford (Blackrock, Dublin) |
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Joburg
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Hi,
If your Holbrow was born Stapleton then the reg.dis. will be Clifton
Regards
Joburg
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osprey
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think this could be him in 1881
6 Chatterton Place, Redcliffe, Bristol RG11/2465 folio 72 pg 11
George Holbrow head mar 31 engine driver at works
Sarah wife 29 stay lanner(?)
George Henry J son 6 scholar
all born Bristol
just to really upset the applecart, George IS on the 1901 census, mistranscribed as Borge on a well-known site
10 Sea View, Portskewett RG13/4915 folio 12 pg 16
George Holbrow boarder 51 fireman/stationary something b. Bristol
Arthur Holbrow boarder 19 labourer in shipyard b. Bristol
Sarah's death registered 4Q 1894 Sarah Jane Holbrow age 44 Chepstow vol 11a pg 3.
Just to confirm what Mary has just said, Clifton was a large registration district surrounding Bristol to the north at that time. It later became Barton Regis. Stapleton and Mangotsfield are to the north east of Bristol and on the outskirts now(they would have separate places then, not suburbs), while Clifton itself is to the north west and very much nearer the city centre.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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osprey
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have found Hill House Lodge in 1851 and 1871 and there are different families there, not the Holb(o)rows.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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Joburg
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Hi,
1851 census for Stapleton Gloucestershire
Piece 1955 Fol.399 Page 3
Indexed as Holleran
John Holbrook 29 Groom born Nettleton Wiltshire
mary 27 born Westbury Gloucestershire
Jane 4 born Stapleton
George 1 born Stapleton
Thomas 3 months born Stapleton
Regards
Joburg
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Joburg
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Hi.
SORRY should read Holbrow its the break in the football and I'm rushing LOL
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Joburg
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osprey
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that certainly fits with George's birth in 1849 and Thomas being 10 on the next census. Also, there is this death registered
Mary Holberow 2Q 1858 Clifton vol 6a pg 102
think Mary's place of birth might be Westerleigh which is not far from this area. Westerleigh Road is one of the main roads leaving Bristol heading north-east.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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osprey
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think this might be John on the 1881 census after his second marriage, although he's lost a couple of years
2 Ashgrove Place, Stapleton RG11/2507 folio 58 pg 22
John Holbrow head mar 56 jobbing gardener b. Wilts, W. Kington(about half a mile from Nettleton according to Genuki)
Sarah wife 56 potato store keeper b. Glos, Moreton in Marsh
Susan Baker m-in-law widow 81 b. Stow on the Wold
James Brown boarder u 27 jobbing gardener b. Som, Taunton
looks like this might be his death registration
John Holborow aged 65 2Q 1890 Barton Regis vol 6a pg 45
By the way, Choccobaby, is this the same Holborow family as on the other Holborow thread on this board ?
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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