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Topic: My missing Romany Boswell's (Read 1234 times)
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colleena
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Hi Everyone,
I have a family of Romany Boswell's (cornwall) who somehow have managed to evade most of the Census's
and I need a bit of help or guidance to find them. the information i have below is all I can come up with
Abraham & Unity 1861 census Twardreath ( then Unity disappears) Abraham no mention in the 1871 census, then he dies in 1874.
His son Ephraim c1820 appears to be in none of the census
and his wife Ann only appears in the 1901 census in the Helston workhouse.
Their daughters show up in the 1881 census, Unity & Agnes in cambourne, and Lilly in Phillack, Unity in the 1891 census married now Unity Bailey ( died 1892).
Ephraim's sons Henry (died 1892) not in 1881 census &
Abraham appears in the 1891 census in Kent (was in prison) no census record for Abraham 1871, 1881, 1901, which perplexes me as he was married in 1900 and living in Cornwall. also Ephraim & Ann had another daughter Beatrice Maria, ( who went by the names Maria slack, or Maria Griffiths), but that's another puzzle, now I'm getting confused, any input would be greatly appreciated as I really dint know where to go from here,
Thanks colleen
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My Direct Line Boswell, Lee and the
Smith's (whoever they were)? Also
Orchard, Penfold, Crocker, Buckland, James.
Cornwall, Devon. Somerset, Northamptonshire.
Sherwood. Goslett, Dickenson, WILTSHIRE. WALES
Kavanagh, Galvan, Coffey, McClusker. Ireland
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PaulineJ
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Travellers may not have been recorded in earlier census, as it was not a requirement.
However, should you wish for anyone to try and help, then BIRTH YEARS and PLACES associated with each name would be needed.
Pauline
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deb usa
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Hi Colleen
Deb again...whilst researching my Penfold/Orchards i came to know of abraham Boswell, brother of Maria Boswell. As I mentioned in my other posts to your other query, the Boswells are not related by blood to me at all . I have also come across , with the help of another rootschatterer , a newspaper article concerning Abraham. He was in prison from the ealy 1880's. he was given a sentence of 20 years... therefore he had to be in prison somewhere during the 1881/91 and maybe even 1901 censuses. He was charged in Exeter...so maybe we have to start looking for him in Devon prisons.
what do you think? 
deb
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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osprey
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Hi Colleena,
You may already have all of this info, but it might help other rootschatters. Most of this info was online:-
Abraham Boswell baptised Phillack 4/4/1865 son of Ephraim and Ann
Unity Boswell baptised 26/5/1861 dau of Ephraim & Ann (sorry, didn't note place - I'll go back and check)
Monumental inscription Tregerest Methodist (not sure if date is of death or burial)
Ephraim Boswell 29/10/1904 aged 84
Henry Boswell 1891 aged 21
Ann Boswell 16/8/1909 aged 96
Unity Bailey 1892 aged 31
Abraham and Unity are at RG9/1545 folio 91 pg 22 in 1861 aged 72 and 71
Unity b. 1861 and Agnes are at RG11/2335 folio 37 pg 16 in 1881
there's this wonderful family in 1881
Roche, Carbis RG11/2303 folio 17 pg 18
Boswell male 45 gipsy b. unknown
Boswell dau 17 gipsy
Boswell nephew 14 gipsy
How could the enumerator be so precise about ages and relationship and not know the first names?
and in 1861
Penryn, Gluvias ? RG9/1567 folio 44 pg 28
Festus Boswell head mar 36 brushseller b. Gipsey unknown(sic)
Honour wife 34 brushseller's wife b. Camborne
Lavinia dau 6 brushseller's daughter b. gipsey unknown
Jessie dau 3 brushseller's daughter b. Gipsey unknown
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« Last Edit: Monday 26 June 06 10:26 BST (UK) by Arranroots »
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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osprey
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could this be Unity?
1871 18 Pier(?) Road, St Helier Jersey RG10/5755 folio 147 pg 6
James Boswell head mar 82 labourer and basket maker b. England
Unity Boswell wife 83 basket maker b. England
there's also this family group in 1871 - are they connected to you?
Redruth RG10/2316 folio 66 pg 2
Samuel Boswell head mar 40 chair mender b. Cornwall, Milbrook
Charlotte wife 29 hawker b. Devon, Hatherley
Samuel son 11 b. Somerset, Bridgwater
Henry son 9 b. Jersey
Alice dau 8 b. Cornwall, Helston
William son 5 b. Guernsey
Sisley dau 4 b. Cornwall, Chacewater
Mary dau 2 months b. Redruth
The other Unity's place of baptism in 1861 was Bodmin.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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colleena
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Hello Osprey and Deb, Many Many Thanks for your input and information, its greatly appreciated.
Deb, I do have the cuttings of the court case of Abraham, they were kindly sent to me by a relative, was sentenced in 1883 to 20 years, and its in the 1891 census you find him at Gillingham Kent Prison, he was released early, as he married Selina Lee 1900, in Heston. but the 1891 census is the only one he appears in, but many thanks, maybe we will find a family connection somewhere 
Hi Osprey, I do have most of that information, these three Boswell families (Ephraim, Fesches, and Samuel) I believe are related, but trying to find the connection is the hard part, Ephraim never appears in a census & Fesches only in the 1861 census.
Also the Boswell's at Roche Carbis, "oh for a name"
But thanks for the info on James & unity in Jersey, now that's intriguing, maybe a name change for Old Abraham, that's a little gem of info, (maybe the whole lot of them had alias) that's why they are so hard to find? I will certainly look into that, I cant thank you & Deb enough for your help & time, it is very much appreciated,
Regards Colleen.
Hi Pauline Point taken, can only claim ignorance as a new rootschatter, also it can be a bit daunting posting it right 
Abraham Boswell c1789 Dorset?
Unity c1790 Dorset?
Ephraim " c1824 Warwick
Ann " c1820 Ireland
Lilly " c1859 Taverstock
Maria " c1861 Cornwall
Agnes " 1863 Cornwall?
Abraham " 1865 Carvath St Austell
(only Abraham was registered at birth)
Regards Colleen
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My Direct Line Boswell, Lee and the
Smith's (whoever they were)? Also
Orchard, Penfold, Crocker, Buckland, James.
Cornwall, Devon. Somerset, Northamptonshire.
Sherwood. Goslett, Dickenson, WILTSHIRE. WALES
Kavanagh, Galvan, Coffey, McClusker. Ireland
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coopers pup
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There is a Bo Boswell buried in Farnborough Kent said on his headstone to be"King of the Gipsies"
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colleena
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There is a Bo Boswell buried in Farnborough Kent said on his headstone to be"King of the Gipsies"
Hi coopers pup
Thanks for information, I don't know if that Boswell is connected to my family tree, but you never know, I'll certainly check it out, once again thanks.
Colleena
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My Direct Line Boswell, Lee and the
Smith's (whoever they were)? Also
Orchard, Penfold, Crocker, Buckland, James.
Cornwall, Devon. Somerset, Northamptonshire.
Sherwood. Goslett, Dickenson, WILTSHIRE. WALES
Kavanagh, Galvan, Coffey, McClusker. Ireland
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deb usa
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Hi Colleena
i know we have spoken of this before , but I can't for the life of me find the info I am looking for 
You had mentioned that Maria Boswell called herself Maria SLACK too. Could you please tell me again, where, when and who she was with when she was calling herself that ?
Thanks so much
appreciate it
Deb
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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colleena
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Hi Deb 
Maria Boswell ( married Christopher Penfold) in 1909, she was the sister to Abraham Boswell my great grand Father,
I came across a reference to a civil court case which was reported in the paper "The Cornishman" dated Sept 1907 where a Abraham Boswell had given evidence on behalf of his sister Maria/Griffiths/ Boswell, who's was taken to court by a man called Slack, with whom she had been living with for 15 years.
That's all I know at this stage, I made inquiries and without an actual date, it means hiring a researcher, so maybe a packed lunch and a trip to the UK maybe the go, all interesting stuff this,
Also have no idea where the Griffiths comes in, maybe an alias, maria/Mariah used?
Regards Colleen 
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My Direct Line Boswell, Lee and the
Smith's (whoever they were)? Also
Orchard, Penfold, Crocker, Buckland, James.
Cornwall, Devon. Somerset, Northamptonshire.
Sherwood. Goslett, Dickenson, WILTSHIRE. WALES
Kavanagh, Galvan, Coffey, McClusker. Ireland
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deb usa
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Hi Colleena 
Do you mind if I quote you on another board ... it's for my "Cornish Mystery"...
My William Penfold (brother of Christopher penfold who married Mariah Boswell) married Mary Palmer(nee SLACK/SMITH) , her father was called George SLACK. In 1851 the whole family went by that name and george was a coach builder ...by 1861 George had changed the family name to Smith and he was a hawker.
It's strange that Maria Penfold(nee Boswell) was seeing(?) a Slack as it is such a unique name . i just have a feeling that this may all connect somehow. Clutching at straws here
regards deb
ps ...nice to 'speak' to you again
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penfold, orchard, james , richards (travellers/romanies)
middleton, waterfield, skinner,adams, bray (devon, tiverton,silverton areas)
palmer,slack, smith, carnarton (cornwall)
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colleena
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Hi Deb 
By all means add to your Cornish Mystery, as you never know where it will lead, and to whom,
Have just had a quick look at the 1891 census there's a John & Mary Slack licenced Hawkers, Falmouth, any relation to your Slacks, havent had a chance to check marriage reg,
(just a thought maybe Mary may turn out to be Maria) will check later
Regards Colleen.
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My Direct Line Boswell, Lee and the
Smith's (whoever they were)? Also
Orchard, Penfold, Crocker, Buckland, James.
Cornwall, Devon. Somerset, Northamptonshire.
Sherwood. Goslett, Dickenson, WILTSHIRE. WALES
Kavanagh, Galvan, Coffey, McClusker. Ireland
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coopers pup
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re boswellsfind "ancestors of alfred cooper" in roots check and in the miscellanious section you will find a long report of the funeral of Levi "Bo"Boswell from the London City Mission Magazine
These always seemed to work the fields with us at fruit and hop picking times
There is a Bo Boswell buried in Farnborough Kent said on his headstone to be"King of the Gipsies"
Hi coopers pup Thanks for information, I don't know if that Boswell is connected to my family tree, but you never know, I'll certainly check it out, once again thanks. Colleena |
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Have you seen this thread? Some BOSWELLS ended up in America.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,278162.0.html
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Middx - Vaus, Roberts, Eversfield, Inman, Star, Holbeck, Wyatt, Bickford, Smith, Redwood
South Stoneham, Hants - Small, Hammerton, Grist, Fryer, Trodd
Beaulieu/Boldre, Hants - Woodford, Croutear, Beck, Bendell, Keeping, Harding
Kent - Bayly, Borer, Mitchell, Plane, Vernon, Farrance, Chapman, Medhurst, Lomax, Wyatt
Devon - Tope, Bickford, Foster
YKS - Quirk, McGuire, Benn
Nott/Derbs - Slack
Hert - Barnes
L'pool- Plumbe
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