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AHC
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Hi 
Researching my g grandfather George Allen b. 1829 in Barton (Le Clay), Beds. Have found quite a bit of info via census returns, certificates etc and via other distant members of the family. Would like to find out more if possible regarding his parents. I know his father's name was also George and his mother was Jane. I have also come across one sibling - Emma. Found Jane, George and Emma in 1841 census but have not found father. He may have died. I think Jane remarried as I've found her and Emma via the 1851 census. Jane's surname is then Crawley. Loose Emma after that, probably married. George married Hephzibah Collyer in 1849, they had a daughter Catherine. He then went on to marry Hannah Costin and they had 13 children. Would love to hear from anyone else who might also have an interest in this family, especially if anyone out there knows anything else about g grandfather George.
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Darvell - All, Woodward - Herts & Beds, Allen - Beds, Collyer - Bucks & Herts.
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bedfordshire boy
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I assume you have George's father's name as being George from his marriage cert? And Jane as his mother from the 1841 census which shows Jane 30, Emma 4 and George 13.
I'm always suspicious when children are out of chronological order in censuses, particularly in 1841 where relationships are not given. I wonder if George was really Jane's son or whether he was a lodger in the household - a nephew perhaps. (later - on rechecking the image there's a single slash after Emma, denoting the end of that particular family, and a double slash after George denoting the end of that house, so the enumerator was indicating that George was not the same family as Jane and Emma)
If you check the IGI on www.familysearch.org there's only one George Allen in Barton, baptised on 8 June 1828, the son of George and Sarah. So the father's name matches the George which you have, and the year is right. It's the mother that doesn't match what you think it should be.
There's a marriage on 5 Jan 1833 at Barton, John Allen/Jane Blindell which I think is the Jane in 1841. The only burial in Barton of an adult male 1836-41 is John aged 38 on 18 March 1840. Jane's remarriage cert to Crawley would show her maiden name which would confirm what I suspect.
So I'm certain that Jane wasn't George's mother at all.
Living 2 doors away from Jane in 1841 was
George Allen 30 Carpenter
Sarah Allen 30
William 10; Albert 8; Elizabeth 5; Edwin 3; Leonard 2 mths
All born in Beds
I think these were George's parents and siblings.
Perhaps George had moved in with Jane (possibly his aunt) to make room for the new baby.
In 1851 both Georges were living in Luton
George Allen head marr 45 former carpenter b Barton
Sarah Allen wife 42 b Streatley Beds
Elizabeth 16; Edwin 13; Leonard 10; Emily 7; Edward 4. All b Barton
But I can't see a marriage on the IGI for George and Sarah, which I assume should have taken place in 1827/8
Regards
David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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bedfordshire boy
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You say "I guess the census returns are not accurate in all cases". I would twist it a bit and say that in some cases censuses are accurate!
It's certainly not the first time that I've seen a grandson or brother or mother described as lodger.
Regards
David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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bedfordshire boy
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For an 1828 birth you're into parish registers looking for baptisms, as the St Caths House - GRO - indexes didn't start until 1837. You'll need to go through the microfilm of Barton parish register (available at Bedford Records Office, or any LDS Family History Centre). The 1828 baptism on the IGI looks to be the right one, and it's extracted from the parish register, not an unreliable member submission
Regards
David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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bedfordshire boy
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Hi Anne
I think we may have talking at slightly cross purposes. St Catherines House is where all post 1837 BMD indexes used to be kept, and they are still often referred to by that name, even they though are now called GRO indexes and are kept in Stockport.
I believe you may be referring to a commercial search service called St Caths about which I know nothing. I don't see any point in paying someone to do work which I can do just as well myself.
If you asked them to find George Allen born in Barton in 1828/9, son of George and Jane, and they told you there is no such baptism then strictly speaking they are correct. If you asked them to find George Allen born in Barton in 1828/9 and they drew a blank I am less than impressed. The ones that they did find - can you find them by searching on the IGI and did they give you any more information than is on the IGI?
The IGI is the best research aid around for pre 1837 baptism and marriage records, but you need to be careful. There are two types of entry on the IGI, which can be identified in the Messages box of the Individual Record. One says "Extracted ...... record for locality listed in the record" which are controlled extracts taken from parish registers or bishops transcripts, which in my experience are extremely reliable. The other type of entry reads "Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church" and these vary in quality between fiction/wishful thinking to well researched. In other words Member submissions should NOT be relied on.
Ideally the IGI should used for what it is - an index, by checking the entry in the parish register, which can be done as I explained in an earlier post. The IGI contains only bare information - much more detail can usually be obtained from the full entry in the parish register.
The IGI is extremely good for Beds research as pre 1812 coverage is almost 100%. Bear in mind though that the IGI mainly covers baptisms and marriages, with very few burials appearing, so you need other research aids such as the NBI to assist with burials - again Beds is very well covered.
Hope this helps
Regards
David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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