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Topic: Sutherland family Caithness 1841 & 1851 census lookup plse (Read 8921 times)
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MonicaLesl
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I forgot to say, please use the PM facility to send me an email address.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Tiffaney
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Another thought Monica after rereading your posting.
Christina married William from the home of a Mr Sutherland West Town Belt
Christchurch New Zealand on on 3 June 1868. Witness was a James Sutherland,farmer, Selwyn. Would they also have these details recorded in Scotland somewhere.
An Archibald Cook Sutherland comes up a few time along the trail in New Zealand.
Christina & Williams children were:
Willian Sutherland b.5.5.1869 d. July 1869
Catherine b.5.51871
John b.29.7.1873
William Archibald Cook b.28.6.1876
Some of our relatives say she was married from the home of her father but can't find when he came out etc. which I feel was most probably before she did if he did.
John born 1873 was witness to a wedding of a George Alexander Sutherland in 1902 Christchurch NZ where the parents of the groom were Archibald Cook Sutherland & Barbara nee Munro.
Witness John McLauchlan, farmer, Waterton.(my grandfather).
Archibald Cook Sutherland surely must tie in earlier in Scotland.
Cheers,
Tiffaney
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Caithness: Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillans
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Scott,Craigie, Sinclair, Tulloch, Spence, Laing
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp, Boone, Carter, Lee
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour, Bomforth, Dunn, Galletly etc.
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MonicaLesl
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I've had a quick look at this site: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/ScotlandMiddleNamesIGI.h
tm. In Caithness, there is only one use of Cook Sutherland (where Cook is the middle name:
BELL COOK SUTHERLAND Christening: 12 DEC 1822 Latheron, Caithness, Scotland
Parents: Father: JAMES SUTHERLAND
My initial thoughts are that the COOK name could also be connected to William Mclauchlan. Re their children's names:
1. William Sutherland b.5.5.1869 d. July 1869 - named after Christina's father
2. Catherine b.5.51871 - jury's out, although what was the name of William McLauchlan's mother?
3. John b.29.7.1873 - do you know who this was in memory of?
4. William Archibald Cook b.28.6.1876 - William again, which we know why. Archilbald Cook maybe related to William McL's family?
You have details of William McL's parents from his marriage cert, maybe the names on it would help. What do you know of William McL. Was he born in Scotland or in NZ?
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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There is an entry on IGI for the following marriage:
ARCHIBALD COOK SUTHERLAND Marriages: Spouse: BARBARA MUNRO
Marriage: 07 DEC 1865 Lairg, Sutherland, Scotland
By the way, our favorite couple to be Christina's parents both came from Sutherland.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Tiffaney
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Thanks again Monica,
That was my first thought too that Archibald Cook may have come from the mcLauchlans but then I began to think perhaps it was Sutherland after William & Christina's 1st boy died William Sutherland & naming their last son William Archibald Cook.
William McLauchlan (Christina's husband) was born 3rd June 1836 in Pomarium West Church Parish, Perth, fourth child of John McLauchlan(born 1801, Dunkeld, Perth) ploughman & Margery Mills/Milne born Cargill ,his spouse. He was baptised six day later by Rev. Dr. William Aird Thomson, minister of Middle Church Parish, Perth. He had a brother John born 1828 two sisters Ann b. 1825 & Mey b. 1831. In 1839 James was born.
1831 family lived at Hillyland NE Perth. 1836 lived Friarton or Moncrieffe Island in the River Tay. In 1851 in Evelick, Parish of Kilspendie, Perthshire listed:
John McLauchlan (snr) Head widower 48yrs. Farm Labourer
May daughter 18yrs
James son 12yrs scholar.
William came to New Zealand on the Cornubia 1855 Lyttelton with his father, sister Ann, husband & 3 children, & James. John had come out around 1851. Mey arrived later with her husband, 2children in 1857 "Glentanner".
RE: Christina & Williams marriage cert. they were both full age, no parents mentioned. Witness James Sutherland, Farmer, Selwyn. when & where married 4 june 1868 House of Mr Sutherland South Town Belt. Death cert had parents names.
Thanks,
Tiffaney
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Caithness: Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillans
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Scott,Craigie, Sinclair, Tulloch, Spence, Laing
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp, Boone, Carter, Lee
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour, Bomforth, Dunn, Galletly etc.
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Tiffaney
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Hi Monica. me again.
(1)John, William's brother was named after their father John McL.
(2) William's mother was Marjery (May/Mey) Mills or Milne both spellings on baptism records.
Whats that!!! Incredible!! Parents came from Sutherland. Belong to HH-Suth where none have been able to come up with anything concrete , certainly not from lack of trying & here you are with Sutherland.
Oh Boy, this site you gave me.
Yipee!!
Tiff
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Caithness: Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillans
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Scott,Craigie, Sinclair, Tulloch, Spence, Laing
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp, Boone, Carter, Lee
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour, Bomforth, Dunn, Galletly etc.
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ostler
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Great Granddad John Angus Sutherland (1875-1963)
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Hi Ostler
I'm carrying on today with a Sutherland theme!
I've found your William age 6 in the 1851 Census living at home with parents Angus age 45 and mother Janet age 35, all showing as born in Berriedale. If you PM me with an email address, happy to send you further details.
Regards.
Monica
This is the first of me coming across this... thanks! Is there something up with the board? I'm not getting notifications of new posts to threads it seems... PM on its way. 
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All countries/counties
Kinnes, Ostler, Terras (and all variations!!)
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Caithness: Sutherland and Gunn (Latheron), Mowat (Olrig, Canisbay)
Fife: Fleming, Harley, Small, Laing, Malcolm
Angus/Forfarshire: Small, Laing (Dundee)
Perthshire: Runciman, Whittet, Paul, Small
Midlothian: Dudgeon, Sanderson (Tranent)
England
Gloucestershire: Edkins, Trowton/Troughton
Warwickshire: Bromley, Vickers, Hydon
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Tiffaney
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Hi Monica, Sorry to be a bug bear but seem to be no further ahead.
Do you think it might be worthwhile to pay someone to search her relatives for me. Have been trying so long with such marvellous help espec. from you & Ian Sutherland & great members of rootschat & genenesreunited & former Highlandhearts members am beginning to think this brick wall is insurmountable. Drat!!! Drat!!!. Written to Dunbeath Heritage, left messages on Caithness org. plus so many other sites since I started can't remember them all.... wihout success.
Will find her siblings etc eventually but hope time is on my side.
Cheers Tiffaney.
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Caithness: Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillans
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Scott,Craigie, Sinclair, Tulloch, Spence, Laing
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp, Boone, Carter, Lee
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour, Bomforth, Dunn, Galletly etc.
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ostler
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Great Granddad John Angus Sutherland (1875-1963)
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I'm not much further ahead either. However, if Angus' parents are Niel Sutherland and Janet Bain, how can I find out this is true? I've searched on ScotlandsPeople for an Angus Sutherland born between 1800 and 1805 in Latheron and I get nothing (he was born Oct 1803), and if I change the parameters to "All Parishes" but add in his parents name, or even just one, I get nothing.  I've searched for Niel Sutherlands born in Latheron and there was one born in 1767 (making him 36 when Angus was born), and one born in 1778 (making him 25 when Angus was born). How can I tell which one - if any - is the right one? I searched for Neil Sutherlands born before 1803 and there weren't any until about 1730, which is obviously far too early to be Angus' father.
Any help would be appreciated. Even if it's a suggestion of what to do rather than looking for me, I don't mind.
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All countries/counties
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Caithness: Sutherland and Gunn (Latheron), Mowat (Olrig, Canisbay)
Fife: Fleming, Harley, Small, Laing, Malcolm
Angus/Forfarshire: Small, Laing (Dundee)
Perthshire: Runciman, Whittet, Paul, Small
Midlothian: Dudgeon, Sanderson (Tranent)
England
Gloucestershire: Edkins, Trowton/Troughton
Warwickshire: Bromley, Vickers, Hydon
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ostler
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Great Granddad John Angus Sutherland (1875-1963)
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OK bugger it, I gave in and searched for Angus Sutherland on ScotlandsPeople without putting in any parents names, and also limiting it to 1803. I got one result, and his parents are Angus Sutherland and Hellen McKenzie, he was born 1st October 1803 in Clyne. This just adds to the confusion. 
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All countries/counties
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Caithness: Sutherland and Gunn (Latheron), Mowat (Olrig, Canisbay)
Fife: Fleming, Harley, Small, Laing, Malcolm
Angus/Forfarshire: Small, Laing (Dundee)
Perthshire: Runciman, Whittet, Paul, Small
Midlothian: Dudgeon, Sanderson (Tranent)
England
Gloucestershire: Edkins, Trowton/Troughton
Warwickshire: Bromley, Vickers, Hydon
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ostler
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Great Granddad John Angus Sutherland (1875-1963)
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The Mormon's site has this Angus:
Born 1 Oct 1803 Brora, Sutherland, Scotland
Died 25 Sep 1892 Brora, Sutherland, Scotland
Parents Angus Sutherland and Helen MacKenzie.
The only thing about this Angus is he has a middle name; Amos. 
In the same search I got the above Angus Sutherland as being christened on 1 Oct 1803 in Clyne.
Also in the search was an Angus Sutherland christened 8 Oct 1803 in Latheron, with only a father mentioned: Niel Sutherland. 
I really don't know what to make of all this.
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All countries/counties
Kinnes, Ostler, Terras (and all variations!!)
Scotland
Caithness: Sutherland and Gunn (Latheron), Mowat (Olrig, Canisbay)
Fife: Fleming, Harley, Small, Laing, Malcolm
Angus/Forfarshire: Small, Laing (Dundee)
Perthshire: Runciman, Whittet, Paul, Small
Midlothian: Dudgeon, Sanderson (Tranent)
England
Gloucestershire: Edkins, Trowton/Troughton
Warwickshire: Bromley, Vickers, Hydon
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Ostler
Just to avoid anyone repeating searches already done, I've included a link to your other post on the family: www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,198968.0.html
You have Angus's 1888 death cert which shows parents's as Neil and Janet Bain. This cert. also includes details of Angus's two wives, Janet Gow and Janet Sutherland. Janet Sutherland being the mother to William. A cousin of Angus's from Dunbeath (also fitting what you know of him) reported his death.
In the area of submitted entries on IGI, you have:
NIEL SUTHERLAND Marriages: Spouse: JANET BAIN
Marriage: 17 DEC 1802 Latheron, Caithness, Scotland
and an entry for Angus:
ANGUS SUTHERLAND Christening: 08 OCT 1803 Latheron, Caithness, Scotland
Parents: Father NEIL SUTHERLAND
and probable entries for Angus's marriages:
ANGUS SUTHERLAND Marriages: Spouse: JANET GOW
Marriage: 19 DEC 1833 Latheron, Caithness, Scotland
And a further submitted entry for the second marriage:
ANGUS SUTHERLAND Marriages: Spouse: JANET SUTHERLAND
Marriage: 14 APR 1843 Latheron, Caithness, Scotland
Regards.
Monica 
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ostler
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Great Granddad John Angus Sutherland (1875-1963)
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Yeah but what about Niel Sutherland's birth, how can I tell which - if any - is him? 
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Caithness: Sutherland and Gunn (Latheron), Mowat (Olrig, Canisbay)
Fife: Fleming, Harley, Small, Laing, Malcolm
Angus/Forfarshire: Small, Laing (Dundee)
Perthshire: Runciman, Whittet, Paul, Small
Midlothian: Dudgeon, Sanderson (Tranent)
England
Gloucestershire: Edkins, Trowton/Troughton
Warwickshire: Bromley, Vickers, Hydon
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Ostler
Hard to answer that Actual records in the period you are now looking at begin to get thin on the ground.
There may be other ways to get more information. For example, you have two people living with Angus at various points. Firstly in 1851 census entry I posted previously, you have a cousin Charlotte Gunn who could be relevant. Also, from Angus's death cert. in 1888, a cousin Alexander Sutherland from the Post Office at Dunbeath reported his death.
I've found the cousin, the Post Master at Dunbeath on the 1881 Census. From that entry I think I have found cousin Alexander and family in the 1851/61 Censuses:
1851:
Alexander Sutherland 36, merchant grocer, b. Brundall
Mary Sutherland 32, b. Latheron
Alexander Sutherland 3 b. Brundall
Christian Sutherland 2 b. Brundall
William Sutherland 1 b. Brundall
Donald Gunn* 13, nephew, b. Brundall
Mary Sutherland 20, servant
Address: Balnabruich, Latheron
* Gunn name once more
And in 1861:
Alex Sutherland 45, Postmaster
Meary Sutherland 40
Alex Sutherland 13
Christina Sutherland 12
William Sutherland 10
Robert Sutherland 9
James Sutherland 8
Lucy Sutherland 7
Neil Sutherland 3
Address: Balnabruich Or Dunbeath, Latheron
Just some thoughts which may help
Regards.
Monica
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ostler
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Great Granddad John Angus Sutherland (1875-1963)
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I just realised that Angus' second wife Janet Sutherland's (née Sutherland) mother was Catherine Gunn.  The plot thickens!
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All countries/counties
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Caithness: Sutherland and Gunn (Latheron), Mowat (Olrig, Canisbay)
Fife: Fleming, Harley, Small, Laing, Malcolm
Angus/Forfarshire: Small, Laing (Dundee)
Perthshire: Runciman, Whittet, Paul, Small
Midlothian: Dudgeon, Sanderson (Tranent)
England
Gloucestershire: Edkins, Trowton/Troughton
Warwickshire: Bromley, Vickers, Hydon
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