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Edward GURNEY and Annie FAREY
« on: Friday 07 July 06 21:02 BST (UK) »
Hi can anyone help pleeeaaasssse?? I have an Edward Gurney b c1855 in Hemel Hempstaed i think. He was married to Annie Farey b c1876 again in Hemel we believe. Her surname is a bit of a mystery as our family had it as Silkie for a while. i have traced her name as now correct but would like to find out who her parents were. I just cant find any more details and think i must have her plce of birth wrong? I would be so greatful if anyone has an idea?

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Re: Edward Gurney and Annie Farey
« Reply #1 on: Friday 07 July 06 21:16 BST (UK) »
Carla,

There is an Edward Gurney shown in census 1861 to 1901 born Bovingdon (very close to Hemel) 1854/5 - but he is married to Sarah.   Do you have any more details ??

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Re: Edward Gurney and Annie Farey
« Reply #2 on: Friday 07 July 06 21:26 BST (UK) »
Hi
Well that's interesting as his father William was born in Bovingdon. I have to admit i got the information from my sister-in-law. If they had a daughter Ethel b1912 who married a William Williams b1908 then she has made a mistake. Interesting that. Do you know if the dates match up.......

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Re: Edward Gurney and Annie Farey
« Reply #3 on: Friday 07 July 06 21:30 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Marriage

Edward Gurney - Annie Farey

Hemel Hempstead 3a 1177 Dec.qtr. 1898

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Re: Edward Gurney and Annie Farey
« Reply #4 on: Friday 07 July 06 21:31 BST (UK) »
Do you mean this man? His age is 20 years younger than the age you gave.

Marriages Dec 1898
Farey  Annie    H. Hempstead  3a 1177  
GURNEY  Edward     H. Hempstead  3a 1177

1901 census RG13 1326 folio 108
35 Mill Street Hemel Hempstead  Hertfordshire
Edward Gurney 24 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, Head Married Card? Dresser
Annie Gurney 22  Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire,  Wife Married
Alec Gurney  1mth  Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire,  Son    
Mercy Latchford 69  Buckland, Buckinghamshire,  Aunt  Widow

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Re: Edward Gurney and Annie Farey
« Reply #5 on: Friday 07 July 06 21:39 BST (UK) »
wow i just love this site....why didnt i go on this bit of roots web before?Huh So now all i need to know is Annie Farey's parents...or father.
You have been fantastic both of you so thank you very very much. Btw i think maybe my sister in law gave me the wrong dob as this is too close not to be them.

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Re: Edward Gurney and Annie Farey
« Reply #6 on: Friday 07 July 06 21:46 BST (UK) »
It depends whether Annie or mary Ann was born legitimately or illegitimately for how easy it will be to find her father.

1881 census RG11 1474 folio 59
Buckland  Buckinghamshire  
Joseph Denton 54 Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire,  Head   Married Labourer
Mercy Denton 49 Buckland, Buckinghamshire,  Wife  Married
Mary Ann Farey 2 Buckland, Buckinghamshire,  Niece  
George Shelton 39 Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, Lodger  Unmarried

1891 census RG12 1146 folio 74
Buckland  Buckinghamshire  
Mercy Dunton 60 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Head Widow Straw plaiter
Mary A Waring 10 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Niece  

Marriages Dec 1892
DENTON  Mercy    Hemel Hempstead  3a 934a  
LATCHFORD  Shadrach     H. Hempstead  3a 934a

Deaths Mar 1901
Latchford  Shadrach  80  H. Hempstead  3a 422

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Re: Edward Gurney and Annie Farey
« Reply #7 on: Friday 07 July 06 21:55 BST (UK) »
Hmmm i see what you mean....i came across that problem with another ancestor and cannot find his father any where. I know you can look at 'poor records' and applications to magistrates for aid' in the caes of an illegitimate child but even this didnt happen with my other ancestor. Interesting she was with her aunt and uncle...so where was her mother i wonder...and who was she? I love all the different spellings too just to confuse! I am having to concentrste hard on this. Thanks for looking...just how have you access to this all?

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Re: Edward Gurney and Annie Farey
« Reply #8 on: Friday 07 July 06 21:59 BST (UK) »
The 1851 census gives Mercy's maiden name and the reason for the different surnames given for Mary Ann Farey/Waring on the 1881 and 1891 censuses

1851 census HO107 1721 folio 526
Church End Buckland  Buckinghamshire
Thomas Waring 48  Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Head  Married Ag lab
Sarah Waring 42  Soulbury, Buckinghamshire, Wife  Married
Rachel Waring 23  Buckland, Buckinghamshire,  Daughter Straw plaiter
Martha Waring 21  Buckland, Buckinghamshire,  Daughter Straw plaiter
Mercy Waring 19  Buckland, Buckinghamshire,  Daughter Straw plaiter
Ann Waring 15  Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Daughter  Straw plaiter
Thomas Waring 13 Buckland, Buckinghamshire,  Son Ag lab
Elizabeth Waring 11  Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Daughter Straw plaiter  
Jonah Waring 9  Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Son Straw plaiter
Philip Waring 7  Buckland, Buckinghamshire,  Son Straw plaiter
David Waring 3  Buckland, Buckinghamshire,  Son    
Eliza Waring 9mths Buckland, Buckinghamshire,  Daughter  
Sarah Waring 6mths  Buckland, Buckinghamshire,  Daughter Child  

Marriages Dec 1852
Dunton  Joseph    Aylesbury  3a 633  
Keen  Elizabeth     Aylesbury  3a 633  
Waring  Joseph     Aylesbury  3a 633  
Waring  Mercy     Aylesbury  3a 633

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Re: Edward Gurney and Annie Farey
« Reply #9 on: Friday 07 July 06 22:08 BST (UK) »
thanks...i see what you mean and am now totally confused by it all and still none the wiser which one is her mother.......think it's time i paid a vist to the BMD maybe??? You have been a star and i cant thank you enough. When i sit and concentrate i will be able to unravel this i hope.

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Re: Edward Gurney and Annie Farey
« Reply #10 on: Friday 07 July 06 22:54 BST (UK) »
Buckland registers in Aylesbury registration district. This is the nearest birth registration I can find. It might be her it might not.

Births Jun 1878
FAIRY  Mary Ann S     Aylesbury  3a 580   
Stampford-Fairy  Mary Ann     Aylesbury  3a 580

This is the only occasion in the civil registration up to 1910 (90% coverage on FreeBMD) of the surname Stampford-Fairy.

It is also the only instance of the surname Fairy in Aylesbury registration district between 1871-1891 but not of the spelling Farey(3). On the 1881 census there was a Farey family living in Buckland. They had moved to Bedfordshire by 1891.

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Re: Edward Gurney and Annie Farey
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 08 July 06 06:26 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that....think my best bet is to send off for the records and see to be honest. Will let you know and thanks again so much. You found the info so fast. This could well be here because again the dob i had was only a guess i have been told ......i too noticed a Fairy rather than Farey but they had such variations on spelling just to confuse us down the line i think.  Shocked

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Re: Edward Gurney and Annie Farey
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 08 July 06 07:12 BST (UK) »
This is the only Edward Gurney I can see on the censuses with a 1877 circa birth. His father is not called William.
I think if the 1901 census is the correct family

Births Jun 1901
Gurney  Aleck Edward     H. Hempstead  3a 743

then your starting point would be obtaining the marriage details of Edward Gurney and Annie Farey to at least confirm Edward's father and who Annie claims or thought her father was. You need to confirm that Edward Gurney from the marriage to Annie Farey was Edward John Gurney.

1881 census RG11 1444 folio 102
White Lion Street Two Waters Hemel Hempstead  Hertfordshire   
Edward Gurney 27 Bovingdon, Hertfordshire,  Head Married Labourer coal
Sarah Gurney 29 H Hempsted, Hertfordshire,  Wife Married Envelope packer
Edward J. Gurney 4 Two Waters, Hertfordshire, Son   
Arthur W. Gurney 3 Two Waters, Hertfordshire,  Son 
Sidney T. Gurney 1 Two Waters, Hertfordshire, Son 

1891 census RG12 1124 folio 190
18 White Lion Street Hemel Hempstead  Hertfordshire 
Edward Gurney 37 Bovingdon, Hertfordshire, Head  Married General Labourer
Sarah Gurney 40 Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire,  Wife  Married Envelope Bander
Edward J Gurney 14 Apsley End, Hertfordshire, Son Card maker
Arthur W Gurney 13 Apsley End, Hertfordshire, Son   
Sydney S Gurney 11 Apsley End, Hertfordshire,  Son 
Emily T A Gurney 8 Apsley End, Hertfordshire,  Daughter 
Ethel A S Gurney 6 Apsley End, Hertfordshire,  Daughter 
Alice M Gurney 3 Apsley End, Hertfordshire, Daughter 

Births Dec 1876
GURNEY  Edward John    H. Hempstead  3a 430

and for the fathers of Edward Gurney senior and his wife Sarah you will need this marriage certificate to confirm the 1871 census particularly for Sarah and her family.

Marriages Dec 1875
GURNEY  Edward     H.Hempstead  3a 653   
LOVEITT  Sarah     H.Hempstead  3a 653

1871 census RG10 1385 folio 26
Bovingdon  Hertfordshire
William Gurney 48 Bovingdon, Hertfordshire,  Head Married Agricultural labourer
Charlotte Gurney 43  Bovingdon, Hertfordshire, Wife Married
Edward Gurney 17  Bovingdon, Hertfordshire,  Son  Ag lab
Thomas Gurney 14  Bovingdon, Hertfordshire,  Son 
John Gurney 12  Bovingdon, Hertfordshire,  Son 
Charles Gurney 10  Bovingdon, Hertfordshire,  Son 
Ann Gurney 6  Bovingdon, Hertfordshire,  Daughter     
Sarah Gurney 3  Bovingdon, Hertfordshire,  Daughter 

1871 RG10 1387 folio 84
Main Road Hemel Hempstead  Hertfordshire   
John Lovett 41  London, Head  Married Lab at mill
Ann Lovett 41  Box Moor, Hertfordshire,  Wife 
Sarah Lovett 20  Hemel Hempstead, Hertfordshire, Daughter  Employed at paper mill
Harriet Lovett 15  Hemel Hempstead Daughter
Clara Lovett 13  Hemel Hempstead Daughter 
Ada Lovett 11 Hemel Hempstead Daughter 
Alice Lovett 9  Hemel Hempstead Daughter 
Emily Lovett 7  Hemel Hempstead Daughter 
James Lovett 4  Hemel Hempstead Son 

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Re: Edward Gurney and Annie Farey
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 08 July 06 12:17 BST (UK) »
Quote from: enticce on Friday 07 July 06 21:39 BST (UK)
wow i just love this site....why didnt i go on this bit of roots web before?Huh

carla

Welcome Carla

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Re: Edward GURNEY and Annie FAREY
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 08 July 06 21:30 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the welcome and sorry i got that wrong  Embarrassed

You are right everyone is very helpful.....i just wish i could help back as much but there is little hope of that when i cant even help myself at the moment! It is appreciated and i have already learnt a lot  Smiley

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