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Topic: Edward GURNEY and Annie FAREY (Read 2210 times)
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Dale
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Kia Ora Carla
I have about 2500 of those Farey/Fairy/Fairey beasties in my tree and then Ancestry gets hold of them and they become Farry/Ferry/Henry and some other unmentionables.
If you find out where Annie belongs let me know - I may know the family and be able to help!
Marlene in New Zealand
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HUNTS: Fairy, Ding, Scotney, Swinton, Burgess, Brace
BEDS: Farey, Fairy, Young, Rootham, Gell, Wildman, Cooper. Deighton, Flavel.
NORTHANTS: Hills, Mobbs, Twelftrees,
DERBY: Fairey,
LONDON: Fairey, Fairy, Burgess, Williams, Tanser, Picknell, Vinall, Plampin, Mullins, Day, Folwell, Bamfield, Brown
WATFORD HERTS; Burgess, Williams
WARKS: Fairy, Ward, Stephens, Reeves, Hodgkiss, Byrne, Hunt, Edgeworth, Harper, Dudley,
WORCS: Callow, Lowe
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Valda
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Or of course Buckland Buckinghamshire - following her back through the censuses and connecting her to her aunt who appears with her on the 1901 census. Jury's still out on whether she was a Farey or an illegitmate Waring.
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Valda
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Valda
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You have no evidence for Mercy having a younger sister called Mary. On the 1851 census Mercy's mother was 42 - no daughter called Mary (eldest child 23). on the 1861 census there are no further daughters called Mary with the family in Buckland.
The birth certificate is actually a legitimate birth certificate - Mary formerly Waring married to John Stampford Fairy. It doesn't actually mean they were married, they might have been living together as man and wife, but there is no evidence that they were not married either.
Presuming things without the evidence to do so can lead to false trails and red herrings.
This is the family on the 1881 census - it would require a double entry on the 1881 census (not impossible - for Mary A to be Mary A with Mercy)
RG11 67 folio 66
37 Greyhound Road Fulham London
John S. Fairy 29 St Neots, Huntingdon, Head Married Tunnel maker
Mary S. Fairy 29 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Wife Married Straw plaiter
George H.S. Fairy 7 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Son
Mary A.S. Fairy 3 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Daughter
Eliza T. Fairy 1 Chiswick, Middlesex, Daughter
Possible birth registration for George
Births Jun 1874
FAREY George Aylesbury 3a 529
1861 census RG9 867 folio 59
Chapel Place Buckland Buckinghamshire
George Lovegrove 33 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Head Married Ag lab
Martha Lovegrove 31 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Wife Married Straw plaiter
Mary Warring 8 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Daughter-in-law
So Mary senior was the illegitimate daughter of Mercy's elder sister Martha and the relationship of Mercy to Mary Ann was one of great aunt, if you have the right May Ann/Annie.
The Waring family of Buckland to confuse matters appears as Warren on the 1861 census in Buckland.
RG9 867 folio 60
Ginger Cottages Buckland Buckinghamshire
Thomas Warren 57 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Head Married Ag lab
Sarah Warren 52 Salesbury, Buckinghamshire, Wife Married Straw plaiter
Thomas Warren 23 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Son Ag lab
Elizabeth Warren 21 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Daughter Straw plaiter
Jonah Warren 19 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Son Ag lab
Philip Warren 17 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Son Ag lab
David Warren 13 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Son Ag lab
Eliza Warren 11 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Daughter Straw plaiter
George Warren 2 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Son
(I would be somewhat wary that George was actually a son because of Sarah's age - his relationship is given as grandson on the 1871 census)
Marriages Dec 1856
Lovegrove George Aylesbury 3a 601
Warren Martha Aylesbury 3a 601
Births Sep 1852
Wareing Mary Aylesbury 3a 383
Marriages Sep 1872
FAIRY John Stamford Wycombe 3a 711
WARREN Mary Wycombe 3a 711
So Mary Ann was the legitimate daughter of her parents marriage.
Deaths Mar 1884
Farey John Stanford 32 Fulham 1a 181
There is a Mary Ann 'Fancy' born Buckland on the 1891 census aged 12, a servant - a nurse in Hammersmith which I find a bit worrying as I'm not sure who she was and she could easily be a Farey. It would require a second census double entry if Annie and Mary Ann were the same people.
If I go back to my earlier email and quote
then your starting point would be obtaining the marriage details of Edward Gurney and Annie Farey to at least confirm Edward's father and who Annie claims or thought her father was. You need to confirm that Edward Gurney from the marriage to Annie Farey was Edward John Gurney.
I think you really do need to obtain that marriage certificate to be completely sure who the father of your Annie Farey was, who married Edward Gurney, as the picture is obviously somewhat complex. Jumping steps when the picture is complicated is always risky.
1901 census RG13 1330 folio 60
Wilstone Village Tring Hertfordshire
Thomas Waring 63 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Head Widower retired Hay Dealer
Mary A Ferry 48 Buckland, Buckinghamshire, Niece Widow Housekeeper Domestic
1891 census RG12 39 folio 104
156 Blythe Road Hammersmith London
Mary Farrey 40 Tring, Wiltshire, Head Widow Laundress
Elizabeth Farrey 1880 Chiswick, Middlesex, Daughter
plus 1 boarder
1901 census RG13 1068 folio 162
5 Toronto Terrace Crown Street Portswood Hampshire
George Farey 28 Buckinghamshire, Head Married Police Constable
Alice Farey 25 Hammersmith, London, Wife Married
George H Farey 4 Southampton, Hampshire, Son
Edith Farey 2 Southampton, Hampshire, Daughter
Emily Farey 1mth Southampton, Hampshire, Daughter
Edith Farey 6 Shepherds Bush, London, Niece
Regards
Valda
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Dale
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Hi
The Stamford Farey Family tree (spelling varies on both names) is on Ancestry or Rootsweb - can't remember which. Maybe Gen Circles.
I won't confuse the issue by explaining but it involves a woman who married twice and used the double barrelled name to diffentiate between her 2 families. I think you'll find them in Bedfordshire at one stage.
Marlene
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HUNTS: Fairy, Ding, Scotney, Swinton, Burgess, Brace
BEDS: Farey, Fairy, Young, Rootham, Gell, Wildman, Cooper. Deighton, Flavel.
NORTHANTS: Hills, Mobbs, Twelftrees,
DERBY: Fairey,
LONDON: Fairey, Fairy, Burgess, Williams, Tanser, Picknell, Vinall, Plampin, Mullins, Day, Folwell, Bamfield, Brown
WATFORD HERTS; Burgess, Williams
WARKS: Fairy, Ward, Stephens, Reeves, Hodgkiss, Byrne, Hunt, Edgeworth, Harper, Dudley,
WORCS: Callow, Lowe
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Valda
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The Stamford Fairy tree mentioned has John as
Name: John Stamford FAIRY
Surname: Fairy
Given Name: John Stamford
Birth: 1852 in St Nede, Huntingdon
Death: 14 Jan 1884
Father: James FAIRY b: 1817 in Eaton Socon, Bedfordshire
Mother: Ann SMITH (STAMFORD) b: 1815/1816 in Eaton Socon, Bedfordshire
Marriage Mary WARREN
Children
George H Stamford FAIRY
Mary A Stamford FAIRY
Eliza T FAIRY
1851 census HO107 1520 folio 227
11 Masons Place St Luke Old Street Middlesex
James Fairey 33 Eaton, Bedfordshire, Head Married Labourer
Ann Fairey 35 Eaton, Bedfordshire, Wife Married ?
James Fairey 16 Eaton, Bedfordshire, Son Labouring
Wm Fairey 13 Islington, Middlesex, Son Labouring
Samuel Fairey 11 Islington, Middlesex, Son Labouring
George Fairey 10 Islington, Middlesex, Son Labouring
Charles Fairey 6 St Luke, Middlesex, Son
Henry Fairey 2 St Luke, Middlesex, Son
Ann Fairey 1 St Luke, Middlesex, Daughter
1861 census RG9 200 folio 42
23 Noble Street St Luke Middlesex
James Farey 44 Huntingdonshire, Head Married Labourer
Ann Farey 45 Huntingdonshire, Wife Married
Henry Farey 13 St Lukes, Middlesex, Son
Amy Farey 11 St Lukes, Middlesex, Daughter
John Farey 9 St Lukes, Middlesex, Son
Thos Farey 6 St Lukes, Middlesex, Son
Eliza Farey 4 St Lukes, Middlesex, Daughter
1861 census RG9 4487 folio 19
Cornwall Vessels Kent
Charles Fairy 15 St Luke, Middlesex, Convicted Boys Under Sentence Of Detention
Births Jun 1852
FAIRY John St Luke 1b 475
The tree is at
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3233346&id=I95
Regards
Valda
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carol8353
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Sorry - ignore me I lost a page of this thread somewhere and see now that my reply has already been covered 
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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Ok i now have a marriage certificate and a birth certificate for Annie Farey. Well actually she appears to have been called Mary Ann Stampford on the birth certificate and her father is John Stampford Fairy, mother Mary Stampford Fairy formerly Waring, Buckland. The dob on the certificate is 25th April 1878 Buckland.
The marriage certificate i have between Edward Gurney and Annie farey is dated 17th december 1898 Hemel Hempstead in the county of Hertford. Edward was 22, a Labourer resident at Apsley. His father was Edward John Gurney. Annie was 20, a Mill Employer, resident in Apsley and her father was John henry Farey (deceased). Wtnesses were William Hunt and Emily Florence Annie Gurney!
I am beginning to dislike this family lol.
Carla
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King-Alvediston in Wiltshire and Radnorshire in Wales
Stanley-Alvediston and Ebbsbourne in Wiltshire
Philpotts-Ebbsbourne Wake in Wiltshire
Martin/Nunes-Martinez-in London and all over!!
Allen-Redbourn, Hemel Hempstead, London
Gurney-Hemel Hempstead
Farey-Hemel Hempstead
Williams-Spennymore, County Durham, Flintshire
Mcauliffe-Cork, Ireland
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Dale
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Those are the joys of family history! Listen carefully to the family rumours, note them (there may be a grain of truth!) but always move backwards from what you know to be true.
Get family photos, search Great Aunt Lizzie's tin box under the bed, search newspapers for family funeral notices, note any nicknames, note witnesses to deaths, marriages, names of towns or villages, military service, occupations, school records, accounts for funerals. In other words note everything!!
It is fair to say that Family trees as in those done perhaps, only 5 years ago most often did not have the benefit of Free BMD, censii, court lists etc. These can be both a help and a hindrance. Whatever, they are only a guide until you have proof!
It can often take some time to sort out cousins within a village born with the same name, perhaps within the same year. (All to please the common grandfather or the naming conventions of the time).
Add to that the human conditons of illlegitimate birth, second marriages, sudden death, etc and you have problems!
BEFORE you buy another certificate I would strongly suggest that you go back to your family tree.
START checking from YOURSELF backwards.
Have you got YOUR birth cert?
Your siblings?
Your parents BMDs if appropriate?
Your parents & their siblings and all BMDs
Your grandparents & their siblings and all BMDs?
Your great grandparents and all their siblings?
This might sound unnecessary but by then you should be at least at the 1901 census and will have another source of verification.
You will begin to pick up children who died within the decade in which they were born. You will begin to notice if a wife or husband gives a different place of birth, age or occupation - even if they have the same Christian name - it might signify a 2nd marriage.
You have aready encountered the problem of different spellings of surnames this might be caused by a speech/dialectical difference if the family has moved counties, a change over a century because of the cleric being trained in Latin, or latterly as Fairy took on other meanings for example!!
It is always useful to look at other's family trees BUT ONLY AS A GUIDE! Watch out for the women who give birth at 104 which I have seen! OUCH!
Watch out for those who have a surname given to a child as a middle name. Sometimes it means that the child was illegitimate, sometimes that the parent has remarried, sometimes they simply appear to want to remember a favourite relative who has died, sometimes they want to establish a heritage claim. ALL give you clues if you have gathered all the right information as above.
Family history is a life long hobby - even with the Internet it is rarely done over a weekend unless perhaps you are the landed gentry with a castle full of memorabilia. Even they had secrets!
Look for the following:
www.freebmd.org
family search (Mormon site)
census info 1841-1901
local history socieities'
local family history societies
local libraries (card index?)
newspapers (marriage write ups , obituaries)
check occupations (often run in families or businesses)
GOOD Luck - it always plays a part!
Marlene
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HUNTS: Fairy, Ding, Scotney, Swinton, Burgess, Brace
BEDS: Farey, Fairy, Young, Rootham, Gell, Wildman, Cooper. Deighton, Flavel.
NORTHANTS: Hills, Mobbs, Twelftrees,
DERBY: Fairey,
LONDON: Fairey, Fairy, Burgess, Williams, Tanser, Picknell, Vinall, Plampin, Mullins, Day, Folwell, Bamfield, Brown
WATFORD HERTS; Burgess, Williams
WARKS: Fairy, Ward, Stephens, Reeves, Hodgkiss, Byrne, Hunt, Edgeworth, Harper, Dudley,
WORCS: Callow, Lowe
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Valda
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Other than the Henry and she was young when her father died, the marriage details are not inconsistent and you have the Mercy connection.
People/records being inconsistent is what family history is about since it is about people. People get things wrong for whatever reasons. Peoples' lives in the past were just as complicated as many peoples' lives are today which makes researching them more challenging. Those lines/individuals in our trees tend to be the most interesting.
It is really a shame you don't like the family because I think a lot of people who are really struggling with some branches of their family tree would give their eye teeth to have the information you now have on 'Annie' and her family. Annie because she was/is an interesting puzzle is more memorable because of the challenge she presents to find out more about her.
The Gurney witness to the marriage of Annie and Edward is very helpful
Births Jun 1882
Gurney Emily Florence H.Hempstead 3a 529
as it ties in with Edward's sister on the 1891 census (initials always being a bit tricky on censuses)
Emily T A Gurney 8 Apsley End, Hertfordshire, Daughter
Marriages Sep 1914
Gurney Emily F A Cooley H.Hempstead 3a 2037
either
BUCKLEY Joseph A McGrath H. Hempstead 3a 2037
or
Cooley Mark Gurney H.Hempstead 3a 2037
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Valda
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carol8353
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After Sept 1912 all spouses are listed(as are mothers maiden names on births) so in the case of Emily F A Gurney's 1914 marriage it clearly states she married Cooley........a further search under that surname gives you his christian name of Mark.
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Carol2
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Hello Carla
This reply is a bit late as I have just joined Rootschat.
Mary Ann Stamford Fairey/Fairy and Edward Gurney are both in my tree. She was the daughter of Mary Warren and John Stamford Fairy who married in 1872.
Mary was the daughter of Martha Warren and was christened in Buckland in 1850. According to the marriage record of John Fairy and Mary in 1872, her father was William Fosket.
Mercy Dunton, nee Warren, was her aunt.
Carol
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Bkm: Keeley, Barlow,Hawes, Woods, Martin, Thorne, Parkins, Tomlin, Lambourn,
Herts: Cartwright,
Beds: Fairey, Smith, Howard,
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Mind you Mary Waring mother must have been old when she had her???