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Topic: Where in England did my Charles Hartley b. 1831 come from. help plse.!! (Read 1725 times)
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Eve45
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Hi,
What a pill, no parents names! I had a look at 1851 for Charles using a Soundex search. These are the results (I hope I don't get rapped over the knuckles again, I typed this out from my own notes:
Charles Hardle, born & living Wilts, 20, parents William & Elizabeth, no occ given but father is an Ag Lab
Charles Hardwill, b & living Somerset, 22, wife Sarah, Ag Lab
Charles Hartland, b & living Glos, 23, parents William & Elizabeth, Ag Lab
Charles Hartland, b & living St Pancras, 22, parents Frederick & Elizabeth, Carver & Gilder
Chas Hartland, b & living Clerkenwell, 23, wife Esther, Labourer London Docks
Charles Ed Hartle, b & living Glos, 19, grandfather Thomas, Journeyman Painter & Glazier
Charles Hartler, b & living Herts, 20, parents George & Sarah, Ag Lab
Charles Hartley, b Leics, living Suffolk, 20, Lodger, (this is great!) Musician travelling with Wild Beasts
Charles Hartley, b & living Warwickshire, 23, wife Emma, Metal roller
Charles Hartley b & living Yorks, 23, Lodger, Stuff finisher
Charles Hartley, b & living Yorks, age looks like 28 but transcribed as 23, parents John & Elizabeth, Farmers son employed at home
Charles Hartley, b & living Yorks, 22, mother Ann, Emloyed on the farm
Charles Hartley, b & living Yorks, 21, wife Mary, blade forger
Charles Hartley, b & living Yorks, 21, mother Hannah, Power Loom Weaver
Charles Hartley, b & living Yorks, 19, mother Ann, coal miner
Charles Hartly, b & living Lincs, 19, Servant, Ag Lab
Charles Hartwell, b & living Oxfordshire, 20, Grocers Assistant
Charles Hartwell, b & living Worcs, 20, father George, Ag Lab
Charles Heartley, b Lincs, living Sussex, Cavalry Barracks, Private
Charles F Hortlack, b Suffolk, living Middlesex, 23, father George F, Shopman
Charles Hurtley, b Kent, living Middlesex, 19, Servant, Footman
Not a single shoemaker among them - wouldn't that rot your socks? The "Musician travelling with Wild Beasts" would be a good ancestor to have! If you'd like more detail on any of these chaps just let me know, or if you think any of them are worth following up in 1841. He would probably have been too young to have an occupation in 1841 and that census doesn't show relationships so I'm not sure how useful it would be.
Cheers,
Eve
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Tiffaney
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Hi Eve..My Charles records are certainly a pain in the proverbial!!.
re: 1851 census..I honestly don't know. He wasn't married when in London so that cancels some out & his name is definately Charles Hartley. As for shoemaker..perhaps he only worked for one..who knows.
Eve, once again much appreciation for your generous efforts on my behalf..can't thank you enough.
He must have come to New Zealand when he was 27yrs so may find something on shippings lists around 1858..then again he may have gone to Australia first. I wonder if it's worth a try seeing if his parents names are on his marriage cert. altho' apparently in early marriages they quite often weren't .
What do you advise.
Cheers Di
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Caithness: Sutherland /Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne/ Mills(b Cargill)
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillens (
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Sinclair
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp,
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
Scotland: Skinner
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour Bomforth, Shaw, Dunn, Galletly
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Tiffaney
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Hi again..have had a look at records of his marriage from the Christchurch Library which states his occupation as tradesman. No parents there either.
Cheers Di.
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Caithness: Sutherland /Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne/ Mills(b Cargill)
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillens (
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Sinclair
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp,
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
Scotland: Skinner
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour Bomforth, Shaw, Dunn, Galletly
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Eve45
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Hi again,
At first I was only going to check the single Charleses but then I thought he may have married and his first wife died - that happened with alarming regularity in those days. Maybe if his young wife died in childbirth or something it may even have been a reason for him to leave England start afresh in NZ. If there were no children his NZ family may not necessarily have known about it.
Good Luck,
Eve
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DelBoy
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Hi there,
I PM'd you some NZ Elec' Roll returns. Let me know if I can help further.
Charles occupation was as a shoemaker here in NZ, in both 1881 & 1893.
Cheers
Del
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Saunders/Sanders,Owen,Owens,Darrach,Wilson, Cardon,Gurney,Holmes,Smith, Ohlson,Homewood,Shaw,Semple,Merrill,Smithyman,McCallum,Winslade,Morton,Hill,Donahoe,Inglis, Moore, Morgan, Lawrence/Laurence, Steele, Caldwell, Wood, Parish,Donaldson, Hill,Farren,Carnley, Bradford, Dugard, Lindsell, Restall, Plus many many more surnames, varied countries
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Mk2_Zephyr
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That Burnforth is a right one, can't find any examples except a couple in the 1881 c, he says he was born in Halifax but no one else on anything, might be a spelling variation needed.
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Tiffaney
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Mk2_Zephyr Thanks again. All my records show her surname as Burnforth but perhaps one could try Burnford. Their daughter was Agnes Caroline or the other way round so the Caroline is correct.
I am so fortunate in so many trying to help me. Feel quite humbled.
Cheers, Tiffaney.
ps From Martha Burnforth's dates she must have come to New Zealand when she was 1 year old with her parents around 1839 which is quite an early arrival. Where is Halifax?
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Caithness: Sutherland /Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne/ Mills(b Cargill)
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillens (
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Sinclair
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp,
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
Scotland: Skinner
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour Bomforth, Shaw, Dunn, Galletly
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DelBoy
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Hi there,
Horray Horray, I found Martha's first marriage, and thank goodness for that. It was bugging the life out of me, that none of us could locate anything on her, or her surname.
Year 1857
Folio 0348
Surname BOMFORTH
Given Names Martha
Sex F
Spouse HOLSTEIN, William
There are others with this surname listed in the marriages index and also some surname variations such as BOMFORD, BONFORTH, BONFORD,BUMFORD.
Now I will go and check the Elec' Roll and see if Dad & Mum were still living in 1881.
Cheers
Del
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Saunders/Sanders,Owen,Owens,Darrach,Wilson, Cardon,Gurney,Holmes,Smith, Ohlson,Homewood,Shaw,Semple,Merrill,Smithyman,McCallum,Winslade,Morton,Hill,Donahoe,Inglis, Moore, Morgan, Lawrence/Laurence, Steele, Caldwell, Wood, Parish,Donaldson, Hill,Farren,Carnley, Bradford, Dugard, Lindsell, Restall, Plus many many more surnames, varied countries
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Tiffaney
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Hi Del,
Absolutely marvellous. You sound as excited as I feel. Bomforth didn't even enter my head after reading death cert.
Was trying to find Burnforths on early shipping lists this a.m. to no avail. Must open my mind to more possiblities..learning all the time at my tender age.!!
This great..I'm all smiles...thank you thank you.
warm regards,
Tiffaney
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Caithness: Sutherland /Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne/ Mills(b Cargill)
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillens (
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Sinclair
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp,
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
Scotland: Skinner
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour Bomforth, Shaw, Dunn, Galletly
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Mk2_Zephyr
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Hi,
Henry Bomforth and Caroline Shaw married 1841 , East Retford, Nottingham
Martha born 1841 East Retford
Should be simple now.
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DelBoy
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Hi,
Looks like Martha's mother "Caroline" may have remarried in NZ.
Contact NZSG re this marriage, I believe this means they may hold a certificate. But check that with perhaps Mk2 Zephyr.
Year pre 1855
Folio NZSG02586
Surname BOMFORTH
Given Names [or SHAW] Caroline
Spouse Surname RANKIN
Spouse Given Names A.
Year pre 1855
Folio NZSG12937
Surname RANKIN
Given Names A.
Spouse Surname SHAW
Spouse Given Names [or BOMFORTH] Caroline
Cheers
Del
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Saunders/Sanders,Owen,Owens,Darrach,Wilson, Cardon,Gurney,Holmes,Smith, Ohlson,Homewood,Shaw,Semple,Merrill,Smithyman,McCallum,Winslade,Morton,Hill,Donahoe,Inglis, Moore, Morgan, Lawrence/Laurence, Steele, Caldwell, Wood, Parish,Donaldson, Hill,Farren,Carnley, Bradford, Dugard, Lindsell, Restall, Plus many many more surnames, varied countries
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DelBoy
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Hi,
Just adding the names of persons & year married with the BOMFORTH (only) spelling from marriages index, may help you locate the family in passenger lists or ENG census.
Eliza married 1957, Harriet M married 1856, Mary married 1856
If they do appear agaibn, I can then follow through with Nz Elec' Rolls.
Cheers
Del
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Saunders/Sanders,Owen,Owens,Darrach,Wilson, Cardon,Gurney,Holmes,Smith, Ohlson,Homewood,Shaw,Semple,Merrill,Smithyman,McCallum,Winslade,Morton,Hill,Donahoe,Inglis, Moore, Morgan, Lawrence/Laurence, Steele, Caldwell, Wood, Parish,Donaldson, Hill,Farren,Carnley, Bradford, Dugard, Lindsell, Restall, Plus many many more surnames, varied countries
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DelBoy
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Bingo,
This looks like their arrival to NZ on board OLYMPUS, 1842.
Has Occupation & Ages.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/7572/olym1842.txt
Cheers
Del
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Saunders/Sanders,Owen,Owens,Darrach,Wilson, Cardon,Gurney,Holmes,Smith, Ohlson,Homewood,Shaw,Semple,Merrill,Smithyman,McCallum,Winslade,Morton,Hill,Donahoe,Inglis, Moore, Morgan, Lawrence/Laurence, Steele, Caldwell, Wood, Parish,Donaldson, Hill,Farren,Carnley, Bradford, Dugard, Lindsell, Restall, Plus many many more surnames, varied countries
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Mk2_Zephyr
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Gooooooo Del . 
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Tiffaney
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Hi Del & M2_ Zephr..... I'm gob smacked!!! It's all happening so quickly thanks to your amazing endeavours. & time..how fortunate I am....feel like dancing on the lawn altho' it's pitch black & cold outside...but who cares... I'm on top of the world. You have achieved what I thought was a complete dead end, like my Christina Sutherland.
As you say it's all go from here. Sooooo exciting!!
Now I'm going to reread & reread your wonderful postings & emails. So much to take in. How do you do it..I know Del.."look outside the square".
Off to byedebyes soon where I'll most probably have incredible dreams about my ancestors. This has been one of my best weekend ever.
Thankyou.
On Cloud 7, (or is it 9)
Tiffaney
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Caithness: Sutherland /Sutherland (2 families)
Perthshire: McLauchlan, Galletly. Dunn. Milne/ Mills(b Cargill)
Glasgow: Paisley: Gilmour; Fillens (
Orkney: Shearer, Peace, Laughton,Sinclair
Devon: Moore, Gempton, Copp,
London: Bond, Rix, Nightingale,Hartley, Mason
Nottingham: Bomforth, Shaw
Australia: Graham, Tattersall, Moore, Galletly
Ireland: Angland
Scotland: Skinner
New Zealand: McLauchlan, Sutherland, Shearer, Rix, Moore, Hartley,Mason, Gilmour Bomforth, Shaw, Dunn, Galletly
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