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charmedc
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oh sorry Gadget, i got it initially from Sarah's marriage certificate... Sarah Gethins that is..... but as I said I cant locate anything on her.... i have put the section of her marriage in here, hope this can help....... again sorry
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Culley, Cully, McLeish, McIntosh, Robertson, McCord, Webster, Alexander, Brown, MacIntosh, Alexander, MacLeish, Calder, Mitchell, Brown, Gerrie, Gethins, McGlone, Cassidy, Collins, Gaffney, Cruickshank, Whittet, McKenna, Armstrong, Gality, Connelly, Law, Torbett, Pyott, Johnston, Johnstone, Burnett, Fraser, McDonald, MacDonald, Young, Duncan, Fleeming, McPherson, MacPherson
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Gadget
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Jacki - So I presume she is their daughter 
Gethins and McGlone are the surnames. What exactly don't you know about her?
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charmedc
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sorry Gadget, I put that there so that may help the interpretation of her parents. I have tried looking on census records but to no avail. Her spelling on her marriage is Gethins and so is her father's but when i go to his marriage cert it doesnt appear to be the same. It is my 2nd g grandparents that I am trying to work out...... sorry about the confusion but i thought it may help to work out her parent's parents names... now i am getting confused...... 
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Culley, Cully, McLeish, McIntosh, Robertson, McCord, Webster, Alexander, Brown, MacIntosh, Alexander, MacLeish, Calder, Mitchell, Brown, Gerrie, Gethins, McGlone, Cassidy, Collins, Gaffney, Cruickshank, Whittet, McKenna, Armstrong, Gality, Connelly, Law, Torbett, Pyott, Johnston, Johnstone, Burnett, Fraser, McDonald, MacDonald, Young, Duncan, Fleeming, McPherson, MacPherson
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I'll have a look later this evening Jacki. I can usually come up with something. Don't fret 
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charmedc
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thank you heaps Gadget, it is so hard to read some of these handwritings... especially when you try and match up with somewhere and you end up getting no where on any site that may have your interpretation.
kindest regards
Jacki
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Culley, Cully, McLeish, McIntosh, Robertson, McCord, Webster, Alexander, Brown, MacIntosh, Alexander, MacLeish, Calder, Mitchell, Brown, Gerrie, Gethins, McGlone, Cassidy, Collins, Gaffney, Cruickshank, Whittet, McKenna, Armstrong, Gality, Connelly, Law, Torbett, Pyott, Johnston, Johnstone, Burnett, Fraser, McDonald, MacDonald, Young, Duncan, Fleeming, McPherson, MacPherson
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charmedc
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thank you all for trying to help me decipher my 2nd g grandparents' names. I have been looking and looking at it and then put it away then i bring it up again and try again...... so totally confusing... again thank you one and all...... kindest regards to you all
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Culley, Cully, McLeish, McIntosh, Robertson, McCord, Webster, Alexander, Brown, MacIntosh, Alexander, MacLeish, Calder, Mitchell, Brown, Gerrie, Gethins, McGlone, Cassidy, Collins, Gaffney, Cruickshank, Whittet, McKenna, Armstrong, Gality, Connelly, Law, Torbett, Pyott, Johnston, Johnstone, Burnett, Fraser, McDonald, MacDonald, Young, Duncan, Fleeming, McPherson, MacPherson
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Hi Jacki
I've found Patrick's death cert - 10th July 1891, aged 47. General Labourer married to Mary McGlone.
His parents were - Michael Gethins (dec) and Catherine Callaly (dec). He was living at 11 Cowgate, Dundee. Died of pneumonia. Son James was the informant.
Now we need a census to find where he was born - possibly Ireland?
I'll go check Mary next.
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Mary Gethins (nee McGlone), widow of Patrick Gethins, general labourer, died 25 October 1905, aged 56. Her parents were James McGone, mason (journeyman) (dec) and Catherine, MS McGuire. She died of pneumonia in the Parochial Hospital, Dundee. The informant was son James.
Now you need a census to find their place of birth - can you access Scotlands People - you'd get them on the 1891 in Dundee - probably 11 Cowgate - St Andrews ward/district.
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As I thought - both born Ireland
Gadget - glad we got that sorted 
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charmedc
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now i am totally confused...... if he died at the age of 47, in 1891 on his marriage certificate it says he was 25 in 1863........ am i being dumb?
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Culley, Cully, McLeish, McIntosh, Robertson, McCord, Webster, Alexander, Brown, MacIntosh, Alexander, MacLeish, Calder, Mitchell, Brown, Gerrie, Gethins, McGlone, Cassidy, Collins, Gaffney, Cruickshank, Whittet, McKenna, Armstrong, Gality, Connelly, Law, Torbett, Pyott, Johnston, Johnstone, Burnett, Fraser, McDonald, MacDonald, Young, Duncan, Fleeming, McPherson, MacPherson
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sorry Gadget to confuse you too, also, you said his mother's name was Catherine, on the marriage cert it says Mary am i loosing the plot???
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Culley, Cully, McLeish, McIntosh, Robertson, McCord, Webster, Alexander, Brown, MacIntosh, Alexander, MacLeish, Calder, Mitchell, Brown, Gerrie, Gethins, McGlone, Cassidy, Collins, Gaffney, Cruickshank, Whittet, McKenna, Armstrong, Gality, Connelly, Law, Torbett, Pyott, Johnston, Johnstone, Burnett, Fraser, McDonald, MacDonald, Young, Duncan, Fleeming, McPherson, MacPherson
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I read it as 23 Jacki - which makes him circa 1840, if he was born late on in the year, he could have been 48 later in 1891 which would make him born circa 1843. Possibly wanted to appear older. Census 1891 has him as 50 - so son James may have not known. Age on death certs are only a rought guide.
Death cert says Catherine - young James may have been confused.
It's your man though 
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charmedc
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oh thank you so much for that.......... with Mary - now on the marriage certificate it says her mum's name is Ann ?
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Culley, Cully, McLeish, McIntosh, Robertson, McCord, Webster, Alexander, Brown, MacIntosh, Alexander, MacLeish, Calder, Mitchell, Brown, Gerrie, Gethins, McGlone, Cassidy, Collins, Gaffney, Cruickshank, Whittet, McKenna, Armstrong, Gality, Connelly, Law, Torbett, Pyott, Johnston, Johnstone, Burnett, Fraser, McDonald, MacDonald, Young, Duncan, Fleeming, McPherson, MacPherson
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Gadget
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Jacki
I seem to think that that young James has a lot to answer for
It's definitely Catherine on the death cert. How to check? Problem is that they probably stayed in Ireland. You could, perhaps check the 1851 or 1861 censuses for Mary McGlone and Patrick Gethins just to see if they were in Scotland and if they were with parents - that's the only way I can think of resolving it. Otherwise it's Ireland
At least the fathers' names are consistent.
Gadget
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This is my final interpretation  my eyes are giving out on me. Good luck, Sue After banns according to the terms of the Roman Catholic Church.
The standard phrase is 'according to the forms of ...'
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