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KathyM
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Birth/baptism names
« on: Thursday 28 October 04 16:40 BST (UK) »

Has anyone found many instances of people being baptised a name to the one given on the birth certificate.

Here's a family story -

One baby was taken to the church and when the vicar asked for her name he was told 'Hazel'.....which was already on her birth certificate.

  'Oh No!' said the vicar 'There are all the Saints in the Heavens and you wish to call your child after a NUT!'

"I will baptise this child Elizabeth after our own dear Queen'.......and did!
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Ardill,  Bourke/Burke, Bellwood, Bridge, Cain, Church, Cragg,  Dennell, Dunning, Gough, Haslam, Holmes, Jessop, Kidson/Kitson, Knowles, Markwick, Martin, Munden, Nickerson, Robinson,  Seddon, Whittle, Varley & Walpole.

Areas: Yorkshire, Lancashire, Norfolk, Marylebone & Tipperary
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« Reply #1 on: Thursday 28 October 04 19:57 BST (UK) »

I have one Kathy, and she has caused me endless problems!  Registered Hannah Maria, baptised Ann Marie, died as Annie Maria, and used loads of variations in between times as well as inventing a couple of non-existent husbands along the way!

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Jowett, Broadbent & Ellis in Leeds.
Perry, Hartshorn/e & Wilkes in Birmingham & Dudley. Walker and Dabill in Sheffield & Notts.
Farrar in Darlington.
Kidd & Taylor in Hartlepool & Teesside
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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 28 October 04 20:38 BST (UK) »

I think there are problems like that in most families...I have and Ann Elizabeth Robinson.... or Ann E Robinson.....who we believe never married...but was always called Annie...

It's like looking for a needle in a haystack.

A member of the family has a postcard photograph of her in Scarborough...he thinks she went to live there.....I think she was probably on a trip to the coast!

Also, my Gran said she had relatives in Ashby de la Zouche ....I have never found a connection and think Ann(ie) could fit in this gap!.....but do you know how many Ann Robinsons there are !....this is certainly my weakest link!
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Ardill,  Bourke/Burke, Bellwood, Bridge, Cain, Church, Cragg,  Dennell, Dunning, Gough, Haslam, Holmes, Jessop, Kidson/Kitson, Knowles, Markwick, Martin, Munden, Nickerson, Robinson,  Seddon, Whittle, Varley & Walpole.

Areas: Yorkshire, Lancashire, Norfolk, Marylebone & Tipperary
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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 28 October 04 23:38 BST (UK) »

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'Oh No!' said the vicar 'There are all the Saints in the Heavens and you wish to call your child after a NUT!'

"I will baptise this child Elizabeth after our own dear Queen'.......and did!

That tickled me  Smiley  but i bet it caused a bit of an uproar! 
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Re: Birth/baptism names
« Reply #4 on: Friday 29 October 04 04:45 BST (UK) »

I had an ancestor who had the name Laurna, or Lurna, or  Lurana or any variation of that name.  Never found it same twice.  Thank goodness we know everything about her and don't have to spend time looking her info.!
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Re: Birth/baptism names
« Reply #5 on: Friday 29 October 04 22:14 BST (UK) »

I've found several baptisms where the child had two names, which as he grew older were then reversed.  One was James Henry, the other Benjamin George (brothers) and both then changed them round to Henry James and George Benjamin.

Thought I had found four people, but there were only two!  I spent ages trying to find them.

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 29 October 04 22:19 BST (UK) »

My father-in-law went through all his 90+ year life as Leslie Alfred, including when he married.   When he died we found a 'penny a week' insurance policy that his mother had taken out when he was a baby - in the name of Alfred Leslie.   A few months ago I sent for his birth certificate and, sure enough, he was Alfred Leslie!

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Jowett, Broadbent & Ellis in Leeds.
Perry, Hartshorn/e & Wilkes in Birmingham & Dudley. Walker and Dabill in Sheffield & Notts.
Farrar in Darlington.
Kidd & Taylor in Hartlepool & Teesside
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 29 October 04 23:32 BST (UK) »

I read today about children being baptised twice. It is probable that the first baptism was in a non-conformist  church and the second one in the C of E as non-conformist marriages, baptisms etc had no legal basis at one time.
The other reason was marriages between CofE and Roman Catholic. They would take the child to a different area to be baptised for the second time in the other church.
That should make everything as clear as mud Huh
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« Reply #8 on: Friday 29 October 04 23:34 BST (UK) »

I have an ancester with the christian name of Lisleborn & couldn't find anything on him till I discovered he was christened Loveban! Wonder why he changed it  Huh

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Re: Birth/baptism names
« Reply #9 on: Friday 29 October 04 23:35 BST (UK) »

Thank Goodness some one else is having the same problem!!
I thought I was going mad


I have been looking for my gran,  Sarah Hughes for over two years. I have been SO exasperated, I discarded one family many times, because there was no Sarah.

On the 1881/1891 census' she is Sissy and Ciss!!!

It was only in the 1901 census that her proper name was used, fortunately, all her siblings were still at home, so I knew it was the same  family......and then the penny dropped, I have finally got her birth certificate, verifying every thing.
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Hardy, Belbin , Jenkins, Knight . Dorset.Hampshire
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Re: Birth/baptism names
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 30 October 04 01:26 BST (UK) »

I had a Great-Aunt named Carrie, even buried under that name.  Recently I found her in 1930 census, her Real name was Caroline.  No one in family Ever called her anything but Carrie and I spoke to living rells and non Ever knew she was Caroline so I found a new bit of info for the family.  Also my g.g.grand mother was Mina, Married and buried that way, turns out she was really Almina.  Now I have added my Own bit of confusion to the family tree, I dropped my first name when I was 20 when I got Married  and go by my middle name, maiden name initial and married last name so anyone years from now looking for me under my birth name will never find me.  (Wish I could say the same for the Tax Man!)
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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 30 October 04 03:57 BST (UK) »


My grandfather was known by one and all as 'George' and I believed that to be his name. My cousin George was named after him.

I now have all Grandad's certificates and census information and George Shepherd never existed. His name was Sydney......
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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 30 October 04 07:12 BST (UK) »

My father was born in Puerto Rico and there you have both parents names as last names w/mother's last such as : Juan Ortiz Martinez would be son of a father named Ortiz but mother named Martinez.  Sometimes they are given another middle name also but my father wasn't.  When my father came to U.S. mainland they asked him his mothers maiden name and he told them "Martinez", then they asked him his last name and he said "Martinez" so for years he was thought by many to be named Juan Martinez Martinez.  We were christened w/last name Martinez because that was on everything dad had,  then when dad got ready to retire he had to go though a lot of paperwork due to this confusion and he told us kids our real last name is Ortiz and we needed to change to that.  So if anyone from P.R. tries to find us they never will 'cause we chose to stick w/Martinez instead of change to Ortiz.  So between that name problem and the fact I don't use my first name,  I am all but lost to future seekers not to mention  I DON'T KNOW WHO I AM!!!
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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 30 October 04 11:04 BST (UK) »

My Dad was John but always called Jack
One of his sister's was Sarah Elizabeth, but always known as Sally
Another Sister was Margaret but always known as Peggy.
A Great Aunt was Georgina, known as Gina
Grt Uncle Richard was Dick
Grt Uncle William was Bill
and on and on......  so when typing out my trees I always put the nicknames in brackets.  In fact on Dad's gravestone it says ...John (Jack) Yarwood.
My Auntie Sally only told me a couple of years ago that she had been named after her Great Great Grandmother and Grandmother, I'd only ever known her as Aunty Sal.

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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 30 October 04 16:01 BST (UK) »

I too had an Uncle Dick, I always assumed it tobe Richard til I found his obituary and he's really called Arthur Huh

Also Aunt Sadie turned out to be Sarah Jane and Aunt Cissie was Lucy.

It's no wonder we get confused

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