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Abby
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My g. grandfather, Richard William Jones was born Sept 1846 in Much Wenlock, supposedly the first of 8 children to John and Margaret Jones.
He came to New Zealand around 1872. As yet I haven't been able to find him on any passenger lists - he was an engineer so he may have worked his passage? He married my g. grandmother, Elizabeth Green in New Zealand in 1874. I have obtained a copy of their marriage certificate and find that he was married before, as he is listed as a widower. I thought I had found the right one online and sent away for that marriage cert., but it is wrong, so I now have surplus one for R.W. Jones and Sophia Williams if it is of use to anyone.
My question main question is - where do I go now to find who he may have married? Any help would be appreciated.
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Abby
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Jones - Shropshire & Wales; Green - Warwickshire; Evans & Smith - Bedminster; Joll - Calstock, Cornwall; Harrison; Treliving - Cornwall; Matthews, Bell, Marks - UK; Watt - Edinburgh; Mossman - Canada; Lange & Balck/Balch/Balk - Germany.
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PrueM
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Hi Abby and welcome to Rootschat 
Have you found Richard on the 1871 census? His first wife may still be alive, which will narrow down the search.
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray, Inverness) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (Banff) – SWAN (Fife) – WOOD (LND)
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Lloydy
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Here he is in 1851:
HO107/1990 folio 13 page 17 - Harley, Shropshire
John Jones Head Marr 26 Ag Lab born Berrington Montgomeryshire
Margaret Jones Wife 26 Marr Domestic Duties born Llanfair Montogmeryshire
Richard Jones Son 4 born Wenlock Salop
Margaret Jones Dau (age looks like 0?) born Broseley Salop
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Ashton, Beaton/Betton, Bennett, Breese/Breeze, Crisp, Chandler, Challenor/Challinor, Crisp, Davies, Hudson, James, Jarman, Jenkins, Jones, Lewis, Mills, Owen, Owens, Richards, Simon, Turner, Gethin & Trow - My Welsh ancestors from Montgomeryshire.
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Lloydy
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In 1861 I can see a 14 year old Richard, Farm Servant in the village of Cressage, working for John and Elizabeth Edwards.
RG9/1861 folio 21 page 12 - Cressage Farm
Cressage is approximately 3 miles from Much Wenlock so could be a possibiliy.
Here's the rest of the family in 1861:
RG9/1861 folio 11 page 16 - Cressage Park Cottages, Harley, Shropshire
John Jones Head Marr 36 Drainer born Montgomeryshire Buttington
Margaret Jones Wife Marr 36 born Montgomeryshire Llanfair
Mary Ann Jones Dau 12 Scholar born Salop Broseley
Jane Jones Dau 8 Scholar born Salop Harley
Edward Jones Son 6 born Salop Harley
John Jones Son 1 born Salop Harley
Stephen Emery Lodger Unm 37 Drainer born Somersetshire Farnbrough
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Ashton, Beaton/Betton, Bennett, Breese/Breeze, Crisp, Chandler, Challenor/Challinor, Crisp, Davies, Hudson, James, Jarman, Jenkins, Jones, Lewis, Mills, Owen, Owens, Richards, Simon, Turner, Gethin & Trow - My Welsh ancestors from Montgomeryshire.
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Lloydy
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How are you getting on with the 1871 search?
Jan
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Ashton, Beaton/Betton, Bennett, Breese/Breeze, Crisp, Chandler, Challenor/Challinor, Crisp, Davies, Hudson, James, Jarman, Jenkins, Jones, Lewis, Mills, Owen, Owens, Richards, Simon, Turner, Gethin & Trow - My Welsh ancestors from Montgomeryshire.
Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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PrueM
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Hi Abby! Jan has got you started with the census, so here is 1871. There are three Richard Joneses from Much Wenlock, but only one with the right age:
Richard JONES Married 25 Gardener Much Wenlock
He is a lodger in the house of William DAVIES, 7 Armory Tce, Shrewsbury, Shropshire. Not sure where his wife is, though. And here I was, thinking they'd be together! Of course I could have the wrong Richard Jones...
Hope your flu goes away soon - I was off with it last week 
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray, Inverness) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (Banff) – SWAN (Fife) – WOOD (LND)
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PrueM
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Should have said, the William DAVIES he is lodging with has a birthplace of Montgomery[shire], Kerry - long shot, but possible connection to Richard's parents who are from the same county?
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray, Inverness) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (Banff) – SWAN (Fife) – WOOD (LND)
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PrueM
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Rest of family, 1871:
RG10/2740/43/17
Marlbrook Toll Gate, Aston Eyre, Shropshire
JONES
John Head Mar 46 Drainer Montgomeryshire, Buttington
Margaret Wife Mar 46 Montgomeryshire, Llanfair
John Son 11 Scholar Salop, Harley
James Son 9 Scholar Salop, Harley
George Son 7 Scholar Salop, Harley
Edward Fox Grandson 1 Worcestershire, Oldbury
Ann Granddaughter 3 months Salop, Ailey (?)
The reference for Richard's 1871 entry is:
RG10/2775/43/20
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray, Inverness) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (Banff) – SWAN (Fife) – WOOD (LND)
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PrueM
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Hi Abby,
Don't worry about sounding new, we all have to start somewhere! And even when you've been doing it for a while, you can still sound like a dill sometimes 
You can check the IGI for the two grandchildren, or, as you know pretty much when they were born, you could check the birth indexes. Do you know freebmd and Ancestry.co.uk?
I just had a quick check on Freebmd and found Edward Fox Jones, registered March quarter 1870, district West Bromwich, Vol 6b page 732. Hooray! You might have a harder time finding Ann as I am not sure of the birthplace on the census - but you can check the 1881 census yourself for free, and see if she is on that.
If you order Edward's birth cert, you will get his parents' names.
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray, Inverness) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (Banff) – SWAN (Fife) – WOOD (LND)
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Lloydy
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Goodness me Prue, you have been a busy bee!!!!!!
I had found the Richard in Armoury Terrace as a possibility,but did you see the Richard Jones born Wenlock, living in Lancashire? RG10/4245 folio 88 page 57. Probably not right, but thought it worthing mentioning anyway
I also had another look at that place name 'Ailey'. There isn't one in Shropshire but there is in Herefordshire/Worcestershire. The Salop bit must have been enumerator's error  .
Here's a map: http://www.rootschat.com/links/0nf/
Jan
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Ashton, Beaton/Betton, Bennett, Breese/Breeze, Crisp, Chandler, Challenor/Challinor, Crisp, Davies, Hudson, James, Jarman, Jenkins, Jones, Lewis, Mills, Owen, Owens, Richards, Simon, Turner, Gethin & Trow - My Welsh ancestors from Montgomeryshire.
Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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PrueM
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Hi Jan,
I had another look at the mysterious "Ailey" - that's definitely what it says - but I then went to 1881 and looked for the grandchildren, and they are still with their grandparents (although grandad is not home). Ann is down as born in Harley! Why the 1871 enumerator wrote Harley for others and not for her, I don't know.
I did see the Richard in Lancashire, but as he was married with two children I thought it was probably not him. Right age, though.
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray, Inverness) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (Banff) – SWAN (Fife) – WOOD (LND)
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Abby
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Hi Prue and Jan,
Richard was definitely in NZ by 1873, probably 1872 and even possibly 1871 - still not sure but will keep digging from this end in NZ. On marriage certificate he lists as 27, widower, engineer. Family have passed down that he did his engineering training in England, so if this was the case - where would he have done that? Would he have needed to go to a larger town?
I have been studying my map of Shropshire and following the family's progress. My g.g. grandparents John and Margaret are becoming 'real' now.
You have been so generous with your interest and information - so many thanks,
Abby
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Jones - Shropshire & Wales; Green - Warwickshire; Evans & Smith - Bedminster; Joll - Calstock, Cornwall; Harrison; Treliving - Cornwall; Matthews, Bell, Marks - UK; Watt - Edinburgh; Mossman - Canada; Lange & Balck/Balch/Balk - Germany.
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