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Lloydy
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Hi Abby
Here's Richard's parents (and two other family members  ) in 1891:
RG12/2093 folio 31 page 6 - Alderham Pools, Morville, Bridgnorth, Shropshire
John Jones Head Marr 66 Master Drainer born Montgomeryshire Buttington
Margaret Jones Wife Marr 65 born Montgomeryshire Llanfair
Robert Jones Brother Single 55 Estate Labourer born Montgomeryshire Llanfair
Mary Ann Wrigley Dau Widow 42 Monthly Nurse born Salop Broseley
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Ashton, Beaton/Betton, Bennett, Breese/Breeze, Crisp, Chandler, Challenor/Challinor, Crisp, Davies, Hudson, James, Jarman, Jenkins, Jones, Lewis, Mills, Owen, Owens, Richards, Simon, Turner, Gethin & Trow - My Welsh ancestors from Montgomeryshire.
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Lloydy
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The trouble is - the more I find out the more I want to know! Is this a common affliction?
Extremely common, and one of the symptoms experienced by all Rootschat members 
I thought I would have another look for Mary Ann Wrigley and this is what I found:
1881
RG11/3918 folio 117 page 36
27 Lister Street (Woodstock Inn), Chorlton on Medlock, Lancashire
Ben Wrigley Head Marr 35 Bees House Keeper born Lancashire Salford
Mary A Wrigley Wife Marr 32 born Shropshire Broseley
Free BMD has a marriage for a Ben Wrigley & Mary Ann Jones March Quarter 1881, Vol 8C, Page 661, District: Chorlton, but would Mary have married outside of her birth county??? Mmmm...not sure about that!
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Ashton, Beaton/Betton, Bennett, Breese/Breeze, Crisp, Chandler, Challenor/Challinor, Crisp, Davies, Hudson, James, Jarman, Jenkins, Jones, Lewis, Mills, Owen, Owens, Richards, Simon, Turner, Gethin & Trow - My Welsh ancestors from Montgomeryshire.
Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Lloydy
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I have checked the 1871 for Mary Ann, and can't find her as Wrigley but this is a possiblity:
RG10/2761 folio 50 page 13 - Farm House, Cressage
Mary Ann Jones Servant 28 Unmarr General Servant born Shropshire Broseley
She is working for a Farmer John Edwards Widow 60, and his family.
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Ashton, Beaton/Betton, Bennett, Breese/Breeze, Crisp, Chandler, Challenor/Challinor, Crisp, Davies, Hudson, James, Jarman, Jenkins, Jones, Lewis, Mills, Owen, Owens, Richards, Simon, Turner, Gethin & Trow - My Welsh ancestors from Montgomeryshire.
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Abby
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Hi Jan,
The marriage may have been possible, but not sure. If she was a nurse, she may well have done a lot of travelling....
I think I will send for the Edward Fox Jones birth certificate and see where that leads me. I found g.g.grandfather John on the 81 census, in Yorkshire, with a group on 'drainer' work and may well have found a brother of his as well! This is awesome.
Jones was my maiden name, so a 'special' interest!
Abby
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Jones - Shropshire & Wales; Green - Warwickshire; Evans & Smith - Bedminster; Joll - Calstock, Cornwall; Harrison; Treliving - Cornwall; Matthews, Bell, Marks - UK; Watt - Edinburgh; Mossman - Canada; Lange & Balck/Balch/Balk - Germany.
All to New Zealand
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PrueM
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Hi Abby 
Make sure you let us know what Edward Fox Jones's birth cert says!! (I have had no reason to order certificates of my own for a while, so I get my thrills from others now )
What are the details of Elizabeth Green's family - I'll see if I can find them.
Cheers
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray, Inverness) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (Banff) – SWAN (Fife) – WOOD (LND)
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Abby
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Hello Prue,
I didn't know any details of Elizabeth Green's family, but her death certificate says she was born Wormleighton, Warwickshire and she was 71 when she died in 1915 in Hastings, New Zealand. I had been told that Richard had met Elizabeth before he left England and if she was in fact in Shropshire in 1871, he may have been nearby? It might even shed some light on his mysterious earlier marriage??
Elizabeth came to NZ by herself in 1873 to marry Richard - brave girl!!
I certainly will let you know details of the birth cert as soon as it arrives
Thanks Prue,
Abby
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Jones - Shropshire & Wales; Green - Warwickshire; Evans & Smith - Bedminster; Joll - Calstock, Cornwall; Harrison; Treliving - Cornwall; Matthews, Bell, Marks - UK; Watt - Edinburgh; Mossman - Canada; Lange & Balck/Balch/Balk - Germany.
All to New Zealand
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Abby
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Have received Edward Fox's birth certificate and I'm in shock! Father - Richard Jones, gardener! So, Richard left them (I'm assuming baby Ann is their's also) with his parents and came to NZ?? Seems really strange - there must be an explanation.
Mother - Mary Woodall, from Popes Lane, Tal (?) Bank, Oldbury. I found what is probably their marriage record at BDM, so will order that soon to check, but when it comes to finding the right death details for Mary Jones - well, there seem to be a vast number of them within the likely dates!!! Probably just prior to 1871 census as the children were with their grandparents then and the baby was only 3 months old.
It now seems most likely that Richard left London 10 Oct 1872, as this ties in with all the information family have given me.
Thanks so much for your interest and help,
Abby
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Jones - Shropshire & Wales; Green - Warwickshire; Evans & Smith - Bedminster; Joll - Calstock, Cornwall; Harrison; Treliving - Cornwall; Matthews, Bell, Marks - UK; Watt - Edinburgh; Mossman - Canada; Lange & Balck/Balch/Balk - Germany.
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PrueM
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Hi Abby,
Wow, that's great! Not that he left the wife and kids, but that you have confirmed that bit of the story.
If we can be of more help, just holler
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray, Inverness) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (Banff) – SWAN (Fife) – WOOD (LND)
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Lloydy
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Hi
I've missed the rest of the replies to this thread, but they have made very interesting reading. As Prue said, it's great that you have been able to confirm the story about Richard.
Let us know what the marriage certificate shows.
Jan
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Ashton, Beaton/Betton, Bennett, Breese/Breeze, Crisp, Chandler, Challenor/Challinor, Crisp, Davies, Hudson, James, Jarman, Jenkins, Jones, Lewis, Mills, Owen, Owens, Richards, Simon, Turner, Gethin & Trow - My Welsh ancestors from Montgomeryshire.
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Abby
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Hi Prue and Jan,
The certificate arrived today! I have Richard Jones, 23, Bachelor, Gardener, Residence at time - Condover, Father - John Jones, Labourer.
Mary Woodall, 28, Sinster, servant, (looks like) Ryton View?, Father - John Woodall, Shoemaker. Everything seems to add up doesn't it!
They were married in the Parish Church, Condover, Shropshire (after Banns). Their witnesses were Henry and Ann Bason.
Prue - you mentioned you might look for Elizabeth Green (Richard's 2nd wife) in Shropshire in the 1871 census. Her birthplace was Wormleighton, Warwickshire and I would really love to know if you found anything. Sorry to ask for more after all you have done!!!
A million thanks to you both!!
Abby
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Jones - Shropshire & Wales; Green - Warwickshire; Evans & Smith - Bedminster; Joll - Calstock, Cornwall; Harrison; Treliving - Cornwall; Matthews, Bell, Marks - UK; Watt - Edinburgh; Mossman - Canada; Lange & Balck/Balch/Balk - Germany.
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Hi Abby,
Great news about your certificate!!! How exciting!
I did promise to look for Elizabeth, didn't I - sorry I forgot about it.
I had a look at the 1871 just now and found the following, do you think it might be her?
RG10/2806/120/40
Back (?) Street, Wellington, Shropshire
Elizabeth GREEN Serv Unm 28 Housemaid Wormleighton, Warwickshire
...in the household of John RIDER, General Practitioner.
I haven't looked for Richard yet, but I will now.
Prue
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I live in NSW, and am researching:
BALFOUR (Derry) – BIGG (Kent) – BONSALL (DBY, NTT, CHS) – BRISBANE (Fife) – DANKS (STS) – DOBSON (BRK) – FRANCIS (ESS) – GOODE (HAM) – HAYNES (Cork) – INGRAM (MDX, SOM) – LANGWORTHY (Jersey, DEV) – MCKAY (Fife, Aberdeen, Banff, Moray, Inverness) – MORRISH (LND) – NANCARROW (CON) – OGILVIE (Moray, LND) – STRATHDEE (Banff) – SWAN (Fife) – WOOD (LND)
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