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Vonnie M
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Hi there,
could someone with access to the 1841 Census please look for William Webb b. 11 Mar 1821 Loughton. Labourer
He was the child of Thomas Webb & Sarah.
and his future bride (married 22 Jun 1843 Loughton Buck)
Ann Jarvis b 15 Oct 1820 Waddesdon Buck. to Edmund Jarvis and Mary Guainton.
I think they had a daughter Rosetta in 1847 then emigrated to Australia in 1849. So they wouldn't be on the 1851 Census (although their parents would be)
Any information on these people would be greatly appreciated. I am getting nowhere at the moment.
thank you
Vonnie
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CatOne
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His parents?
HO107/57/14 Folio ? Page 13
Loughton, Buckinghamshire
Thomas Webb 40 Ag Lab
Sarah 40
Both born in county
Regards
Catherine 
ps. do you have the marriage certificate? I was wondering what Edmunds occupation was, as I've found an "Edman Jarvis" who was a butcher on 1841 census.....
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Vonnie M
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Hi Catherine,
thankyou for looking that up for me. I haven't been doing family history research for very long. I live in Australia. Although I know the marriage dates I haven't figured out
how to get copy of the marriage certificate from England yet.
I am unsure of the occupation of Edmund Jarvis.
On Ann Jarvis's daughter's birth certificate it said that Ann
was born in ? Thenley Buckinghamshre. But it is very scrolly writing. On the latter day saints site it says she was born in
Waddesdon.
That is really all of know of this family. I thought William might not have been so hard to find as Ann.
Thanks heaps for looking for me.
cheers
Vonnie
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There is this William Webb in 1841
Buckinghamshire County Gaol House of Correction
William Webb 20 Prisoner Ag Lab B in county
HO107/62/7 4 5
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Vonnie M
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Hi Suzard,
well, there you go. Maybe they emigrated to Australia before he was sent !
A black sheep. I wonder what he did ?
Thankyou for looking for me.
cheers
Vonnie
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Think on the birth cert it says Shenley??
1841shows at Church End Shenley Bucks
Edman Jarvis 60 Butcher
Sarah Jarvis 10
both b in county
HO107/59/1
this may be a possibility for Ann -and maybe Phebe is her sister? ??
1841 North Hill St, Stewkley(?) Bucks
Hugh Brise 25 Farmer
Dorcas Brise 25
Emily King 15 FS
Ann Jarvis 15 FS
Phebe Jarvis 14 FS
all b county
HO107/50/28 7 8
Possibilities??
Suz
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Vonnie M
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Hi Suzard,
on further checking it does say Shenley.
This entry would make Edmun b. 1781. and the other entry - Ann b. 1826. I am
pretty confident she was born in 1820.
What does FS mean on the entries ?
Phebe isn't a family name either is Sarah but that may not mean anything.
Having a look at the births deaths and marriages site here & Edmund and
Alberta Julia's birth certificates :-
William Webb and Ann Jarvis had :-
1. Rosetta before they left England. Christened 21 Feb 1847 Loughton
Then had 5 children that died early or at birth (don't know their names)
? Another child that lived but it doesn't give a name.
7. Alberta Julia b. 3 Dec 1855 Campbells Creek, Chewton Victoria Aus (gg Grandmother) Named Julia but Alberta added later.
8. Edmund b. 4 May 1859 Campbells Creek
9. Edward b. 1864 Strangways Victoria
Maybe if I obtained Rosetta's birth certificate it would tell me more.
thankyou
Vonnie
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Hello Vonnie,
On the 1841 census ages of people over 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5 -so the Ann Jarvis found on 1841 would be age 15-19
F.S. usually means Female/Farm Servant- as William was an Ag lab I thought they may have met working on the same farm?
Are there any witnesses on the marriage cert???
Suz
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Vonnie,
Since Ann's birth place is given as Shenley on the daughter's
birth cert. (I think we can be certain that "Thenley" is "Shenley"), why have you not considered that the Ann
Jarvis baptised in Shenley, 06 Jan. 1822(LDS) could be your Ann rather than the one born in Waddesdon? If you simply chose one of two "possibles", I don't understand why you rejected the more likely one, unless you have other info that you have not mentioned.
The Shenley Ann Jarvis was the illegitimate daughter of
Sarah Saunders and a man called Jarvis. Sarah had another child by Mr. Jarvis, baptised 31 May, 1823, a son, Joseph.
On the same day as Joseph's baptism, Sarah Saunders
and Edmund Jarvis were married.
So, we have two Ann Jarvises, both with father's named
Edmund. It will take more research to finally decide with certainty which one is your's, but with the evidence of Shenley on that birth cert. I'd be inclined to think the Shenley born Ann is the most likely candidate.
Sorry to create more trouble, but it is better to find mistakes early in the game, rather than after you have wasted time and money chasing after the wrong people.
Good luck and I'll give it some more thougt.
Carmela
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Vonnie M
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Hi all helpers,
mmmm it is more difficult that I thought it would be !
I don't have the marriage certificate so I can't tell you who
the witnesses would be. I just looked it up on the latter
day saints website.
I thought the entry for the other Ann was in Stewkley and
born in county meant there. This is the problem of being
in another country - I have really no idea how close these
places are to each other and if they are in the same county.
It is great to have all the imput and I am open to changing
what I have done without any problem.
I didn't see the LDS baptism in Shenley..... hopeless aren't I ?!
I have searched for Ann Jarvis and William Webb's death certificate in both Victoria and New South Wales with no
luck so far - that would have given me a better idea of
the correct ages.
I know Ann could not write as she signed her name with
a cross on the birth certificate.
I didn't know about the 'rounding' of ages either, that is useful to know.
I have just obtained William and Ann's son Edwards birth certificate it says :-
15 Dec 1862 Newstead, Parish of Strangways Victoria.
Edward WEBB - father William WEBB, labourer 41 b. Loughton Buckinghamshire.
- mother Ann WEBB nee JARVIS b. Shenley, near Loughton
Buckinghamshire. (married Loughton Buckinghamshire 1843)
other children
1. Sophy ? - difficult to read. Deceased
2. Rosetta 16
3. Lucy - deceased
4. Isabella - deceased
5. Alberta Julia - 7
6. Emmanuel - 5
7. Edmund - deceased
8. May (or Mary) - deceased
Interestingly for me there is another family member on
the same page - bonus !!
Cheers
Vonnie
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Vonnie
Ann Jarvis -farm servant in 1841-the address reads Stewkley but could be Shenley -difficult to read!
The rounding of ages is on 1841 census only
And on 1841 census the only information of place of birth is yes or no -as to whether they were born in the county they were living in at that time-which was Buckinghamshire -if the person was born in another county it would just say "no"-and not give which county they were born in.
Also on 1841 relationships to head of household are not given.
You are doing well trying to piece it together-we all have to start somewhere - good you are getting certificates in the early stages -and there are always Rootschatters who will help wherever they can.
I have been looking for the birth reg of Rosetta -but can't find it yet
BMD registration district is North Bucks for Loughton and Newport Pagnell for Shenley Church End
Hope this helps a little
Suz
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Vonnie M
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Thanks for all the great information. It is all helpful.
I have found Sophia Webb on LDS baptised 5 Sep 1843 but not Lucy or Isabella.
I will keep looking around. I know more than when I started
today anyway !
cheers
Vonnie
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Hi Vonnie M,
Ann Jarvis b 1820 daughter of Edmund Jarvis & Mary Quainton (Guainton on IGI) actually married Jesse Higgs in Tring, Hertfordshire in 1844 before sailing with entire Jarvis family to NSW on "Royal Saxon". Jarvis family moved from Waddesdon to Tring circa 1838-9 before last 2 children were born, John (my g/g/g/father) & Ellen Jane.
Please note that there is another Edmund Jarvis married to a Mary who was having children in Loughton the same time as the above family were living in Waddesdon. Two different families (But perhaps cousins!),
regards
scrappyshaz
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HOLTON - Buckingham, Middlesex, New Zealand, Australia
JARVIS - Buckingham, Hertford, Australia
CROSS - Walmer Kent, New Zealand
PURSER - Idlicote, Warwickshire
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