louislou411
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I have her death certificate and it clearly states Captain George Syme RN and Winifred St Leger. As you say they can be unreliable.
However Isabella did have children that were living in Durness at the time she died and therefore I think a certain amount of the information could quite likely be true.
Isabella's children were John Gunn bp Halkirk 1822, Helen Gunn bp Halkirk 1823, Margaret Gunn bp Halkirk 1825, Robert Gunn bp Halkirk 1828, Georgina Gunn bn Halkirk bp Durness 1830, bd Durness 1924, John Gunn bp Durness 1832 bd Durness 1845, Alexander Gunn bp Durness 1834 bd 1895 Australia, Daniel Gunn bp Durness 1836, bd Durness 1901 and William Gunn bp Durness 1840.
It would be interesting to find out if Commander William Syme RN was a relative to Captain George Syme RN.
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mcleodsyme
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Hi Louislou 411
I have the marriage entry for George Syme and Jane Mcleod and it only says he was a lieut. in the Royal Navy, nothing about being a widow.
As Isabella Syme was born in 1796, if related to Capt. George Syme she could not have been his daughter but maybe a cousin.
I have not had any luck finding any information on the brothers and sisters of James Syme who was Capt. George Syme's father, but as they liked to carry on the names in the family maybe the father James did have a brother named George who married Winifred St. Leger and with any luck was in the navy
Good Luck
MacLeod/Syme
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louislou411
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What I find curious is that there are only two Captain Syme's listed as RN officers. Commander William Syme and Commander George Syme. I wonder whether Isabel was born a lot later than we thought. It might explain why I and more recently other researchers haven't been able to find a birth/baptism entry for her (so far). She could have been what we nowadays call a child bride (a 15-16yo). It does happen although it is rare. Although most men in the early days do not marry until at least their mid 20s I have seen on rare occasions seen men as young as 17yo getting married 200 years ago in Devon.
I recall reading that Captain George Syme and his wife Winifred were resident at Durness at the time of marriage in 1822. I can't recall where I got this information from. I may have a note of where this information came from but it is not at hand at the moment. I first began pursuing this about 10 years ago. It has only recently come back into my focus. I dug out Isabell's death certificate a few weeks ago and have looked at it a few times in the last week.
To solve the problem is to get into the records at Kew and find out more about Commander George Syme and Commander William Syme. I believe these records will give some details of the next of kin and with luck could solve the problem.
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mcleodsyme
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Hi
The marriage bans for George Syme and Jane McLeod were from North Nelson Street, St. Marys Parish, Edinburgh records, married Aug. 27 1827.
I do know he was born at Northfield House, PrestonPans, East Lothian, Scotland and his father was James Syme and mother was Helen Knox.
Hope this is some help when you find some records.
Macleod/Syme
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mcleodsyme
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Hi again
I have the 17 page will of Commander George Syme and there is no mention of any children named Isabella only the people I know about.
I did find something interesting for you when I looked through some of my files.
Commander George Syme's father James Syme died in 1819 and his estate continued till 1870 as a trust for his wife and children. In a document about the estate dated May 25 1849 it says , bond by the late George Syme Esquire and an amount , this George Syme was not his son because he died in 1886, so maybe this George is the one you are looking for and is probably a brother of James Syme who was born around 1740-1750.
MacLeod/Syme
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redmond
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We are also following the desxcendency of William Gunn and Isabel Syme.
One of thier children migrayted to Australia where there are many descendants
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mcleodsyme
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I have not found an Isabel in my line of the Syme family. You might have better luck if you send a personal message to ezekiel, it sounds like you might be connected.
Macleod/syme
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rubygee
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Hello,
i have William Gunn b1778 & Isabella Syme b1778 in my family tree. they are my G.G.G Grandparents on my mothers side.I have Williams father as John Gunn? and helen Gunn? Can anyone verify this?
Also I have Isabellas father as george Syme RN and her mother as Winifred Leger. These were sent to me by a ancestry member and I would like to find out if they are correct.
My G.G.grandfather Alexander who was the son of William & Isabella Gunn immigrated out here to Aus in 1853.
Rubygee
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mcleodsyme
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Hi Rubygee
In my search I found George Syme married Jean Swintoun in Old Kirk Parish, Edinburgh May 23 1714, their children are
John - 1715
Andrew- 1716
James 1719 my ancestor
Katherine- 1719
George Jr. 1722 could be your ancestor
Jean 1729
George Jr. married Isabelle Johnstone Jan. 18 1747 in Haddington East Lothian. I got this info from John Muir House
Brewery Park
Haddington
EH41 3HA
George and Isabell had a son George born Mar. 3 1749 and also a son Alexander born 1751 in Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian Scotland.
This info. I got from Family Search IGI. The names seem to fit with your family so I hope this will help with your search.
Mcleodsyme
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rubygee
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I have John Gunn b30.8.1759 married Helen Gunn on the 22.6.1777 at Latheron Caithness. Also John gunns father as Robert Gunn b abt 1730, who married Isabella Elder b 1730. Robert and isabella had 6 children -
Janet b4.7.1755 Houstry Latheron,J
John b 2.5.1757 Houstry,
another John b 1759 houstry,
Barbara b 19.6.1761 Houstry,
David b 5.7.1764 Houstry,
Elizabeth b 5.7.1764 Houstry.
I haven't any Georges in my research so I don't think they could be the same family. I did get this info off a Pauline who was researching the Gunn family and found she had the wrong thread. She sent me Williams war records as well.
Isabella Syme Died on the 6.11.1872 in Durness Sutherland.
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rubygee
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Hi mcleodsyme,
I've just read your message again and found I had failed to look at the dates properly. God i have wasted so much time.!!!
The george Jr 1722 may well be the george i'm looking for . Will research on IGI .
Thanks for the info, will let you now how it goes.
rubygee
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