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erica lyn
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SILVEY - Orphan? How to proceed?
« on: Monday 17 July 06 20:36 UTC (UK) »

Hello, I have the following information for a Thomas William Silvey.

1891 Census
Thomas W Silney 23 Colliery Weighman
Emily Silney 22
Living Town St. Barwick in Elmet

1901 Census
Thomas W Silvey Head 33 Colliery Weighman Born: Yorks Doncaster
Emily Silvey Wife 32 Born: Yorks Thorner
+ 2 children. Living Back Lane, Barwick in Elmet

Marriage Jan 1891 Thomas William Silvey 23 to Emily Nettleton 22 at Barwick in Elmet.
Thomas is a batchelor with profession of weighman and residing in Laverack.

The marriage certificate has no fathers or mothers name for Thomas, and both witnesses are Emily's relations. I have not been able to find Thomas on the 1881 or 1871 census.

Any suggestions?


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PaulineJ
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Re: SILVEY - Orphan? How to proceed?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 17 July 06 21:42 UTC (UK) »

Search the GRO birth indexes?

Pauline


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Re: SILVEY - Orphan? How to proceed?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 18 July 06 10:34 UTC (UK) »

Ooo I like this one

Checked the census first, nothing.
Checked FreeBMD, nothing.
Checked images of BMD 1867 - 1870, nothing
Checked census again using various ways including Thomas W, bn 1869 (give or take a year), Doncaster. This coughed up a couple of answers including Thomas W Goodhall, bn 1868 Doncaster, living Barwick in Elmet !!!!!!!!!! Opened it up

1881 RG11/4710
Folio 103
Page 1

Laverack Road, Barwick in Elmet, Yorkshire.
John H Goodhall, head, married, 31, coal miner, bn Laverack.
Sarah A, wife, married, 31, bn Doncaster.
Thomas W, son, single, 13, coal miner, bn Doncaster.
Sarah A, daugher, 10, scholar, bn Garforth.
John James, son, 7, scholar, bn Laverack.
Alice, daughter, 4, scholar, bn Laverack.
Richard, son, 3, bn Laverack.
Lillie, daughter, 11 months, bn Laverack.
John Silvey, boarder, married, 26, coal miner, bn Doncaster.

Not sure where this leaves you but I have found the Goodhalls in 1871 and then the entire family just disappear.

regards, Sarah


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CatOne
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Re: SILVEY - Orphan? How to proceed?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 18 July 06 11:23 UTC (UK) »

This seems to be the family in 1891......

1891 RG12/3879 Folio 110 Page 13
Laverack, Barwick in Elmet, Yorks
John H Goodall 41 Colliery Lamp Keeper (Coal M written above) Laverack Yorks
Sarah Ann 41 Winterton Lincs
John James 16 Bricklayers Labourer Laverack
Richard 13 Scholar Laverack
Lillie 10 Scholar Laverack
Henry 8 Scholar Laverack
Walter 1 Laverack
+ boarder William Hardisty 22 Ag Lab Eston Yorks

A couple of other Goodall familys are also living next door


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Re: SILVEY - Orphan? How to proceed?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 18 July 06 11:55 UTC (UK) »

Theres also this family of Silveys on 1871, dont know where they tie in but they must somewhere Undecided

RG10/4718 Folio 86 Page 15
10 Reasbecks? Yard, Doncaster, Yorks
James Silvey 45 Licenced Hawker Doncaster
Ann 45 Winterton, Lincs
James 29 Licenced Hawker Doncaster
Charlotte 11 Scholar Doncaster
Henry 8 Scholar Doncaster

Regards
Catherine


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CatOne
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Re: SILVEY - Orphan? How to proceed?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 18 July 06 12:23 UTC (UK) »

This is the same family in 1851, transcribed as Silverg from Winlerbottom!

HO107/2347 Folio 329 Page 32
Laverick Yd, Doncaster, Yorks
James 27 Labourer Yorks Doncaster
Ann 24 Lincs Winterton
James 6 Lincs Winterton
Mary? 2 Lincs Winterton

Looking for marriages to try and connect the families now..... Undecided


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Re: SILVEY - Orphan? How to proceed?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 18 July 06 12:29 UTC (UK) »

Marriage - John Henry Goodall and Sarah Ann Silvey March 1870 Tadcaster Vol 9c Page 707


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erica lyn
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Re: SILVEY - Orphan? How to proceed?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 18 July 06 16:13 UTC (UK) »

Wow, you guys are amazing.

I thought I'd searched the census really well, covering as many variations of Silvey as I could think of, never imagined he might have a completely different surname! I guess I still have alot of learning to do Embarrassed

Thanks for all your help, I shall now investigate all this new information.


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erica lyn
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Re: SILVEY - Orphan? How to proceed?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 19 July 06 17:07 UTC (UK) »

This seems to be throwing up more questions than answers.

Focusing on Sarah Ann Silvey, as I can find no birth record of Thomas William, she could be his mother, giving birth two years before she married John H Goodall. I searched the BMD indexes for a Sarah Ann Silvey between 1849-1851.

Silvey Sarah Ann Birth Dec 1849 Leeds

This leaves me wondering where Winterton, Lincs comes into this Huh

where she states as her birth place in the census 1871 and 1891.

I tried also to find her on the 1861 census, before her marriage, but no luck. Sad

More investigating to be done!


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CatOne
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Re: SILVEY - Orphan? How to proceed?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 19 July 06 19:42 UTC (UK) »

And just to confuse you some more -

1861 RG9/1624 Folio 128 Page 14
High Street, Bridgwater, Somerset
Charles Day Head widower 69 Shoemaker B'Water
John Bennett lodger 60 Harness maker B'Water
Stephen Ball lodger 56 Coach smith B'Water
Sarah Moody 53 lodger widow Seamstress B'Water Somerset
John Silvey 13 Pastry Cook?? Yorks Leeds
Sarah Ann Silvey 11 Lodgers daughter Yorks Leeds
Jane Moody 9 Lodgers daughter Yorks Leeds

1851 HO107/2319 Folio 813 Page 44
7 Cavalier Yard, Leeds, Yorkshire
Matthew Moody 37 Tailor London
Sarah 41 Bridgwater Somerset
Mary Emma 8 Yorks Leeds
John 3 Yorks Leeds
~~Sarah Ann~~ drew ~~dau~~ son 1 Yorks Leeds
Mary Ann Boid/Brid? niece 17 employed at Fla.. mill Somerset Bridgwater
+ lodger John Taylor 19 Engine Driver Yorks Leeds

Marriage -
Matthew Moody December 1850 Leeds Vol 23 Page 649
Brides - Sarah Silvey, Sarah Hownam, Mary Ann Turner and Elizabeth Brogden

Could this be her and parents??

Undecided


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CatOne
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Re: SILVEY - Orphan? How to proceed?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 19 July 06 19:49 UTC (UK) »

and Sarah Silvey in 1841?

HO107/1343/3 Folio 30 Page 8
Sussex Street, Kirkgate Leeds Yorks
Thomas Silvey 35 Flax Dresser Y
Sarah 30 Y
Thomas 5 Y
Emma 3 Y
James 6mo Y
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Edward Pullan 25 Flax Dresser Y

Christening from IGI familysearch site -
Thomas Silvey 28th August 1836 St Peters Leeds, Parents - Thomas Silvey and Sarah


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erica lyn
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Re: SILVEY - Orphan? How to proceed?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 20 July 06 16:31 UTC (UK) »

Thanks

I think I need to think about this over the weekend.


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CatOne
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Re: SILVEY - Orphan? How to proceed?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 20 July 06 16:42 UTC (UK) »

Just found this birth, which I think is the one for the Sarah Ann born Winterton, Lincolnshire. Winterton is a few miles away from where I live and would come under the Glanford Brigg district -

Sarah Ann Silvy September 1848 Glanford Brigg Vol 14 Page 382


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erica lyn
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Re: SILVEY - Orphan? How to proceed?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 20 July 06 16:58 UTC (UK) »

Yes,

Just been looking at the IGI:

Sarah Ann SYLVY ch. 3 Sep 1848 Winterton
James SILVY ch. 20 Apr 1845 Winterton

Father James and mother Ann.

Things are looking up Cheesy


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CatOne
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Re: SILVEY - Orphan? How to proceed?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 20 July 06 17:07 UTC (UK) »

Im wondering if the 1851 census above, with parents James and Ann and children James and Mary, is the same family, with Sarah wrongly enumerated as Mary??

I guess the birth certificate will confirm details. Let us know if you need any more lookups once you have the cert

Good Luck
Catherine


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