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Gerry
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Hi
Miranda Saxty was born about 1853 in Gloucester and the 1881 census records her living at Colford Cottage, Lyonshall, Hereford. RG11/2611 Folio 68 Page 3 refers.
Miranda is unmarried but living or visiting is her father Charles Henry Saxty born about 1828 in Batheaston Somerset. Free BMD records the death of a Charles Henry Saxty age 70, recorded Jun Q 1898 Kington Volume 6a Page 311. (CH Saxty would have been 70 in 1898)
It would appear Charles remained in the county with his daughter, possibly for the 1891 census. Can anyone please find Miranda in 1891 and also 1901 if possible, plus her father, Charles Henry Saxty in 1891
Gerry
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ricky1
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Hi Gerry
1891
There is this family
Charles Hey Sexty head M 63 railway station inspector Somerset Batheaston?
Maranda Wheeler Sexty dau u/m 35 house keeper Gloucestershire Gloucester
living at Oaklands?, Lyonshall, Stansbatch, Kington,Herefordshire
Rg12/ 2077
folio 117
page 2
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ricky1
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Hi Gerry
No sign of them in 1901. I think the death for Charles like you have found sounds correct.
ricky
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Harby,Garton,Drury,Duncombe,Booth,Catton,Barker, Kirkby, Wilson. Lincolnshire, Also Murkin's, Jeffery,Pettitt,Carter, from Suffolk/Cambridgeshire boarder Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Gerry
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Hi Ricky
The spelling is a bit  but I believe this is the pair I want. In earlier census returns Charles has been involved with the GWR so his latest job as a station inspector adds weight to what you have found.
I wonder if you can find Miranda in 1901. She was still a spinster in 1891 and it would appear her father died in 1898.
Much appreciate your help
Gerry
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Puffcat
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In 1881 Charles is shown as a staion master.
This would be at Lyonshall on the Leominster to Kington Railway. which opened in 1857 and finally closed in 1964
Thre is a book on the railway by Sinclair and Fenn called The Facility of Locomotion which has details of the line and its building and is a very good read.
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Puffcat
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You would be able to get a copy of Charles's death certificate from Kington Register Office
The Old Courthouse
Market Hall Street
Kington
Herefordshire HR5 3DP
this would show where he died, what of and who registered it and their addess. This could give a clue as to whether Miranda was still about with him in 1898.
She is not in Herefordshire in 1901 under Saxty or Sexty.
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Gerry
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Hi EBN
Many thanks for trying to find Miranda in 1901 and for sending me the other helpful information. I've had lots of spelling variations for the surname Saxty, Miranda may well be hiding somewhere but her disappearance is not an issue.
Gerry
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I have come across this entry with great interest and think I know who Miranda is ...
She is Miranda Knight (the sister of my great great grandmother, Ellen) b3 Sep 1847 in Gloucester and registered as Miranda Wheeler as her parents did not marry until 1850. She is shown on the 1851, 1861 and 1871 censuses living with her parents, and in the 1901 census (unmarried) with her sister Ellen and brother-in-law Robert Hayes. I believe she is shown as Miranda Wheeler Saxty in the 1891 census living as the 'daughter' of Charles Henry Saxty. Charles' wife and family continued to live in Oxford Street, Gloucester in 1881 and 1891, just a few doors away from the Knights in 1871.
I have a copy of Charles Saxty's death certificate - Charles Henry Saxty died of apoplexy on 4 June 1898 at Oaklands, Lyonshall, aged 70, and the informant was "Miranda Saxty, daughter, present at the death". After this presumably Miranda moved back to Gloucester and lived with her sister and brother-in-law.
What do you think?
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Batten, Bevan, Burge, Clement(s), Davis, Dimon, Oldfield, Paul, Rowe, Sirl, Woodland (all mainly Bristol/Somerset/Dorset). Hayes, Knight, Sanigar, Wheeler (mainly Glos). Wharington (Staffs/Bristol).
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First of all can I welcome you to the website and say thank you for following up my posting of July last year.
I have been researching the Saxty family history for my son in law and Charles Henry Saxty (CHS) born about 1827 was his 3 x Great Grandfather on his maternal side. I have history back to John Saxty born about 1771 in Batheaston.
The 1881 census finds CHS in Lyonshall, Herts with daughter Miranda age 28 (c. 1853) born Gloucester, the 1891 census shows CHS still in Lyonshall with Miranda Wheeler Saxty, unmarried, age 35 (c. 1856) in Gloucester. She is shown as a housekeeper, not as a daughter of... I was aware CHS died in 1898 and I could not find Miranda in 1901 - I now know why. I also wondered why Miranda could not be found before 1881 - clearly she was not recorded with the surname of Saxty until 1881.
Miranda's birth year is inconsistent in the two census returns and different again to your own date of 1847, however there appears to be litle doubt we are talking about the same person. What remains unclear is the relationship between CHS and Miranda? Miranda Knight, registered as Miranda Wheeler (I now know where the surname Wheeler came from in the 91' census) and also Miranda Saxty the daughter of Charles Henry Saxty?
You say the Knight family lived in the same road as the Saxty family and I wonder if CHS had an affair which resulted in Miranda? Can you add any more to unravel this fascinating story?
Finally, could I ask a favour, that is a copy of the death certificate for CHS. I can send a PM with my e-mail, or my home address, but will wait until I hear from you.
Many thanks for contacting me with this information
Gerry
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Thank you for your welcome and reply! Of course you can have a copy of the death cert - if you let me have your e-mail that will be fine.
As to the relationship between CHS and Miranda: Miranda had two older siblings - a brother Thomas b1844 and sister Ellen b1846. Their mother Maria Wheeler eventually married Thomas Knight in 1850, and they had two more children. The name Knight is actually on Ellen's birth certificate (although crossed out and re-inserted). So she definitely knew Thomas before Miranda's birth.
I believe CHS was in Batheaston in 1841, married in Bedminster (Bristol) in 1850 and was in Liverpool in the 1851 census, so unless you know that he could have been in Gloucester in 1847, my instinct is that he and Miranda had the affair!
Fascinating, isn't it?
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Batten, Bevan, Burge, Clement(s), Davis, Dimon, Oldfield, Paul, Rowe, Sirl, Woodland (all mainly Bristol/Somerset/Dorset). Hayes, Knight, Sanigar, Wheeler (mainly Glos). Wharington (Staffs/Bristol).
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Hi
I have sent you a PM
Gerry
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becky.g
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Hi,
I have Saxty's in my tree in the Bath/ Bathford area and was wondering if there is any connection.
I have a Richard Saxty (born c.1811) who married Ameila Puxton (born c. 1823). They married in 1849.
I know his father was John Saxty - but as yet have not pinned down which John.
Do you have a link to this Richard at all among your Saxtys?
Many thanks
Rebecca
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Gerry
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Hello Rebecca
Thanks for making contact and I have seen an extract from St Catherine's marriage index which shows Richard Saxty, sadly I cannot connect with Saxty's in my tree.
My Saxty tree starts in Batheaston with the birth of John Saxty c.1771. He married Anna Rawlings in 1792 in Batheaston. John died 1831, nothing more has been found about Anna. Their children: John - date of birth unknown, Elizabeth c.1795, Susannah c.1797, Charles Henry c.1798, Anne c.1800, Mary c.1802 and Sophia c.1806.
In hope, I looked at the LDS site but there is no birth for a Richard Saxty c.1811 or anything that might identify him to the family above.
Saxty is an uncommon name but I have found several spelling variations, however, yours is from Bath and mine is from Batheaston but I can't fill the narrow gap between. I'm sorry to send a negative reply, wish I could be more helpful.
gerry
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becky.g
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Hi.
Many thanks for your reply - I live in hope of taking this line back a little further.
The marriage that you mention or St Catherines is indeed my Richards first marriage. Shortly after this he and Amelia moved off to Edinburgh
On Richards first marriage his father is John Saxty Tailor
On Richards 2nd marriage (in Edinburgh) his mother is shown as Leah Saxty nee Whitaker, his father deceased John Saxty, Tailor.
I had looked at jour 1771 John and Anna Rawlings - but I have also made no link there.
I have been in touch with someone else who had linked john to be son of John Saxty 1752 from Priston (Somerset), who in turn was son of John 1705, also from Priston but unfortunatly she is off line due to ill health and I am not sure of her sources to verify the details, or to build on them further.
Saxty is indeed fairly uncommon name - though having lived with it all my life I am fairly good at spotting the many varients around 
I keep hunting I guess - I know Richard married twice and fathered a whole load of children - he must have a family somewhere.
Best wishes
Rebecca
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Gerry
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Hello Rebecca
I have looked again at the IGI, attempting to link the names and dates you show but have drawn a blank.
You mention Richard's first marriage in 1849 to Ameila Puxton and Richard's father was John Saxty Tailor. Is this detail taken from a marriage certificate and is the father John Saxty, occupation Tailor? Does it give Ameila's age, also her father's name and his occupation? Where did the marriage take place and if the couple moved to Edinburgh then it's quite possible they were still there for the 1851 census - have you tried to find them in Scotland?
Richard married again, to Leah Whittaker, when and where did this marriage take place. What can you add about Leah, what age is shown on the marriage certificate, what is the name of her father and his occupation and have you tried to find them through census returns after their marriage date?
I'm not sure how much research you have done but there could be avenues you have not yet explored and this site has many friendly people ready and willing to help with your research.
I do hope you can add a little more information and if so your Saxty research can be advanced.
gerry
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