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Cauther Lassie
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Anna - Ref Gardner's
Hello Anna,
Bo'ness Lower Church Wynd Cemetery, in the Pre 1855 Monumental Inscriptions, Volume 1 for West Lothian, it states the following:
No 36 (I have a plan which I can scan if you like)
fallen stone .....................................age .., wife Isabella Laing, son John died May 1836 aged 4 years, children .................. (the missing husband may be John Matthew Gardiner married Bo'ness Oct 1830.)
Don't know if this will help .... Meg
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carriedeanna
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Hi
I'm looking for monument inscriptions for the Reid, Lees, Morrison and Shaw families in Bathgate Cemetery-I live in NZ so can't get to see myself-anyone have access to this info or know where I can get it from?
From 1850-1998
Elizabeth Shaw/Lees died 1900/01
Robert John Lees 1953
James Reids
Alexander Reids
Any other Lees
Archibald.
Anyone know how to obtain news reports related to inquests on deaths?
Bathgate 1901ish-Elizabeth Shaw/Morrison died in suspicious circumstances involving burns.
Also Prison records-anyone know how to find out out people in Edinburgh jail in 1891?
Stuck at the moment.
Thanks
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Cauther Lassie
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Hello,
I did a search on our local Bathgate Newspaper archive and couldn't find anything on Elizabeth Shaw/Lees. Tried the Scotsman archive with the same result. If you get her Death Certificate from Scotlands People, there should be an RCE attached, which would give inquest results and references.
I've checked the pre 1855 Monumental Inscriptions for Bathgate and there are no Lees family listed, there are Reids too numerous to annotate, but feel that they are earlier than your family. The two Shaw entries don't seem to be connected to your names. These Inscriptions only cover early burials, West Lothian Family History Society is at present transcribing the burial registers for all of the Bathgate cemeteries, and I think these would contain details of your family, however as this is all voluntary, it could be a year or so before this is available.
In the Fauldhouse, Whitburn internment Registers there are 49 entries for Lees, too many to list, so would need to tie it down a bit.
The 1891 census would give you the people in prison on census night.
West Lothian Council Cemeteries Department are very helpful, I will phone them and ask for the two names that you have given dates for - Elizabeth Shaw/Lees and Robert John Lees - these records are not computerised, so they need to search through the register books not an easy task without a rough date, eg month and year.
Sorry this isn't very helpful - but will see what I can do.
cheers Meg
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carriedeanna
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Hi
Thanks for your kind help.
29th Jan 1901 is the death I have for Elizabeth Shaw/Lees.
What I have is that she died from burns to the body. Gran knows nothing about it.
Robert Lees was born 1855 in Bo'ness-a tailor and died 1937. He was not with the family in 1901 census but out of prison by then but was in an edinburgh prison-found him in 1891.
Please don't go to any trouble on my behalf.
Very kind of you.
I was trying to pin down where they might be buried.
Late here so off to my bed.
Thanks for your efforts.
Will try to join West Lothian in the next month to help research.
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whitefoxwestsussex
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we are looking for further information on a William Black who married a Janet Cummingham. and lived in Whitburn. We have some parish records of the baptisims of their children christian 1806, Grizzel 1809, Janet 1811, Alexander 1813, William 1815, John 9/11/1817 our direct ancestory and Mary 1820 . Has anybody any further information on this family pre and post 1800.
Thanks
Whitefox
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jean jeanie
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Hi Whitefox
There is an Mi for this family in Whitburn.
Not a lot of info though.
MI 239.
William Black in Bents, wife Janet Cunningham, son Alexander died 27.5.1833 aged 20
Best wishes
Jean
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Cauther Lassie
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Hello Whitefox,
See I've been pipped at the post with the Whitburn South Kirk MI - William is descended from the Black's of Breich Water, William Black & Mary Tod, they too are interred in South Kirk at Whitburn, their youngest son Alexander 17/1/1742 married Grizzel Russell 5/11/1775 at Whitburn, these are William's parents, he was born 27/2/1780 in Blackfaulds Farm, Whitburn, and married Janet Cunningham 25/4/1804 in Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire. Copied below William/Janet and their children. Their son John married twice and I have his details - hope this helps..... cheers ... Meg
1. WILLIAM4 BLACK (ALEXANDER3, WILLIAM2, JAMES1) (Source: Parish Record.) was born 27 Feb 1780 in Blackfaulds, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland (Source: Parish Record.), and died in West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland. He married JANET CUNNINGHAM (Source: IGI Index.) 25 Apr 1804 in Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire, Scotland (Source: IGI Index.). She was born Abt. 1780 in Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire, Scotland (Source: 1851 Census.), and died 17 Oct 1858 in West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland (Source: GROS - Registry Extract.).
Notes for WILLIAM BLACK:
1851 Census
with the family on censu night
Grandson Hugh Foord, aged 20, Farm Servant
Grandaughter Jessie Rankine aged 18, Servant
Grandson Peter Walker aged 13, born Whitburn
More About WILLIAM BLACK:
Burial: Churchyard at South Kirk, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland (Source: Memorial Inscriptions.)
Census 1: 1851, Meikle Harwood, West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland (Source: 1851 Census.)
Census 2: 1841, Bents Farm, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland (Source: 1841 Census.)
Occupation 1: 1851, Farmer of 115 acres, aged 71 (Source: 1851 Census.)
Occupation 2: 1841, Farmer aged 60 (Source: 1841 Census.)
More About JANET CUNNINGHAM:
Burial: Churchyard at South Kirk, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland (Source: Memorial Inscriptions.)
Census 1: 1851, Meikle Harwood, West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland aged 71 (Source: 1851 Census.)
Census 2: 1841, Bents Farm, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland aged 60 (Source: 1841 Census.)
More About WILLIAM BLACK and JANET CUNNINGHAM:
Marriage: 25 Apr 1804, Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire, Scotland (Source: IGI Index.)
Children of WILLIAM BLACK and JANET CUNNINGHAM are:
2. i. CHRISTIAN5 BLACK, b. 28 Dec 1806, Holehouseburn, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland; d. 18 Nov 1881, Breich Toll, West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland.
3. ii. GRIZZEL BLACK, b. 08 Jan 1809, Holehouseburn, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland; d. 18 Mar 1886, Breich Toll,West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland.
4. iii. JANET BLACK, b. 03 Jul 1811, Holehouseburn, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland; d. 12 Mar 1873, Breich Toll, West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland.
iv. ALEXANDER BLACK (Source: Parish Record.), b. 16 Mar 1813, Holehouseburn, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland (Source: Parish Record.); d. 27 May 1833, Bents Farm, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland.
More About ALEXANDER BLACK:
Burial: 1833, Churchyard at South Kirk, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland (Source: Memorial Inscriptions.)
Death [Time]: 1833, aged 20 (Source: Memorial Inscriptions.)
5. v. WILLIAM BLACK, b. 05 Mar 1815, Holehouseburn, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland; d. Hartwood, West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland.
6. vi. JOHN BLACK, b. 09 Nov 1817, Holehouseburn, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland.
7. vii. MARY BLACK, b. 27 Mar 1820, Holehouseburn, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland.
8. viii. MARGARET BLACK, b. 16 Jan 1824, Holehouseburn, Whitburn, West Lothian, Scotland.
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whitefoxwestsussex
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Thanks so much Meg, a great help, we have found out a lot about John and 2 weeks ago went around Edinburgh seeing the areas he lived in. . His son Richard went to Ireland with the GPO and married an Amy Henry. I plan to go to the Post Office Archieves in London to get more information on family members as so many of them worked for the GPO
Thanks again
Whitefox
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whitefoxwestsussex
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Dannydescendant,
We are also descendants of this line,
Whitefox
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jwyrick
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I also have been lookig for West Lothian inscriptions pre 1855. Specifically, I am looking for the family of William Gray . William Gray died between 1851 and 1861. They lived in Linlithgow from birth, marriage, and census records. His wife was Mary Carlaw who died in 1863. Any info would be helpful.
thanks, Joanne
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jean jeanie
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Hi Joanne
No William Gray or Mary Carlaw.
However, there are two MI's in Linlithgow for the surname Carlaw, which may or may not be yours.
Erected by William Dumbreck in 1815. (J) D. William Dumbreck Junior. wife Ann Carlaw 8.1.1815 aged 36. Children; Alexander Dumbreck 8.11.1887 aged 49. Wife Helen Mackie.
Robert Carlow, gas manager, wife Janet Middlemas 26.3.1846 aged 37. Son Robert 7.9.1845 aged 3 months.
Hope this is of some help.
Best wishes
Jean
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jwyrick
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Hi Jean,
Thanks for the information. I will check into these names and see if they are related (they probably are). Also, do you know if there is a burial listing for those who died after 1855?
Thanks again.
Joanne
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Cauther Lassie
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Hello,
I have the West Lothian Burial CD which contains interments for Linlithgow to 1974 - There are 61 entries for the name Gray - none for Carlaw. In the 1851 Census there is a William Gray aged 73 born Livingston, living at Wester Tartraven, Linlithgow with wife Mary born Linlithgow aged 67 - is this the family you are looking for? Strangely enough in the 1841 census William is aged 50, Mary is 45 and Margaret is aged 15, the address is still Wester Tartraven. Quite a jump in ages! I can't find either William or Mary in the Burial Registers for Linlithgow or Livingston. There is a marriage between William Gray/Mary Carlaw of 2nd and 21st August 1818 - the first date was probably the calling of the Banns, the 2nd date the marriage. I can't find any children born to this couple - other than the Margaret aged 15 in the 1841 census.
Sorry that I didn't find anything for you. They may have been interred somewhere else local. I did a search for William Gray deaths in West Lothian between 1851 and 1861, there were three - one in Abercorn in 1852, one in Bo'ness in 1857 and one in West Calder in 1858. The Bo'ness William had the middle name of Tassie and the West Calder one had the middle name of Simpson. I don't know if this will hep or not. Good luck ...... Meg
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Cauther Lassie
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Hello Joanne,
I've found a link to Wester Tartraven http://guide.visitscotland.com/vs/guide/5,en,SCH1/objectId,ACC5779Svs,curr,GBP,season,at1,selectedEntry,pict/pict.html and this shows the buildings there which were part of the Silvermines in the Bathgate Hills, there are a couple of photos of the buildings, which have been converted and the postal address is now under Torphichen, not Linlithgow, so your William and Mary could have been interred in either Torphichen or Bathgate. Cut and paste the link into your browser and hope it works. No sign of your William in Torphichen Churchyard in the pres 1855 burial book or in the Bathgate Cemeteries pre 1855 Book.
cheers ... Meg
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