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utrecht003
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hullo all could anyone help please, I've come to a dead end. William Mcpherson married a Christine Grant. I just can't find any reference to their marriage, except on the sons birth cert. He was John Grant Mcpherson married to Mary Mcnicol Bruce,Sept 17 1842 in Brechin.John was born May 19 1840.
William, the Father was born abt.1812,Kirkmichael, Banff, in 1870 he was a "house proprietor ?"
Christine the Mother, doesn't seem to excist at all, outside a certificate does any one have any thoughts that may help alex.
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Fifer
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Hi Alex
I have Mcphersons as well from Kirkmichael do you know of these
John Mcpherson son of James Mcpherson,Jane Shaw
there son john married Mary Gilbert Potter in Edinburgh in 1888
let me know if you have come across these only just started looking on these lines so dont have alot of info.
Fifer 
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Union Jack
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Alex,
This is a long shot but my ggggrandfather, James Forsyth was b. 1785 in Aberdeenshire (next door to Banff) and his parents were WILLIAM Forsyth & Ann McPHERSON.
After years of research I've noted repeated intermarriage of the same families is generally followed by the use of the in-laws common given names.
Also, the above noted James had a grandson named John GRANT Forsyth but I've never found the GRANT connection. I know - it's reaching a little but an interesting co-incidence. Good luck!
Jack
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Forfarian
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I see that John McPherson and Mary McNicol Bruce were married in 1868. If you have a copy of the birth certificate, it will tell you whether Christian/na/ne was still alive then or not. If she was, you can work forward to find her death certificate (she will be indexed under both surnames, but don't forget spelling variations). If she was dead, you can work backwards, hoping that she survived until 1855. Certificates can be viewed online at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
Have you got the 1841, 1851, 1861 and 1871 census entries? Where was William in 1870 and where did this information come from?
What denomintaion was the marriage ceremony? Could they have been Roman Catholics?
Forfarian
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utrecht003
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many thanks for your reply Forfarian,sadly I'm helping my sis.in law to arrange a funeral for her brother Norman Grant Mcpherson,but next week I will take your advice and look further once again many thanks. alex
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kenjo
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Hi Alex,
I have the family in the 1841c
It seems they did not marry.
I can't find any other children.
When you refer to the certificate you have, is it the marriage of John to Mary in 1868, if so, then what did it exactly word for word, did it say about his parents.
1841 Census
3 Records found
: Aberlour-Banffshire 4
Civil Parish: Aberlour Address: Mill
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Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCPHERSON William M 30 Ag Labourer Banffshire
GRANT Christine F 35 Banffshire
MCPHERSON John M 1 Banffshire
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regards
kenjo 
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utrecht003
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Hullo Kenjo, many thanks for your reply.What I have is the original Banns for John Mcpherson(BurghPolice Officer)and Mary Mcnicol Bruce (daughter of John Bruce Inn Keeper) They were Married in Brechin 14 September 1868.
I couldn't find any thing on "scotlands people"But on the IGI I got a copy of their marriage, giving the parents of John as William Mcpherson and Christina Mcpherson, M Name Grant.Everything seems to tie up,Job,Age,names etc I just can't past William or Christina. though at least I now have an age for Christina. Once again thanks for you help,any other thoughts though will be most appreciated Alex
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kenjo
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Hi Alex,
firstly I must apologize, William McPherson and Christina Grant, may have married, in an old tradition, and that 1841c saying her name as Grant, doesn't necessarily mean that they weren't married. She may just be using her Maiden name.
I bought the Marriage certificate, to see the parents.
and it was as you said, it appears they were still alive, [mind you, that is not always the case]
I[think] I have found the Death of
Christina McPherson, married to
William McPherson formerly a Labourer,
died on the 23 April 1870, at 5am,
Dufftown, Mortlach, Banff.
she was aged 69yrs.
her father was John Grant, Farmer, deceased,
and her mother was Jane Grant ,maiden surname, Campbell. deceased.
she died of Influenza, Bronchitis, and pneumonia,
Informant was her husband William McPherson.
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These are the children of
Father: John Grant, Mother: Jane Campbell, [sadly there isn't a match for Christina Grant, maybe she was illegitimate and raised as John's own] or there are a few explainations.
CHARLES GRANT -
Gender: Male Christening: 16 APR 1805 Knockando, Moray, Scotland
JAMES GRANT -
Gender: Male Christening: 19 MAR 1807 Knockando, Moray, Scotland
ALEXANDER GRANT -
Gender: Male Christening: 10 JUN 1809 Aberlour, Banff, Scotland
DONALD GRANT -
Gender: Male Christening: 11 APR 1812 Aberlour, Banff, Scotland
JOHN GRANT -
Gender: Male Christening: 20 OCT 1814 Aberlour, Banff, Scotland
ISABELLA GRANT -
Gender: Female Christening: 04 JUL 1818 Aberlour, Banff, Scotland
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In the 1881 census Dwelling: 22 Church St
Census Place: Mortlach, Banff, Scotland
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
William MC PHERSON W 69 M Kirkmichael, Banff, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Pauper
Jane MC PHERSON U 38 F Mortlach, Banff, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Occ: Gen Servant Domestic
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I have the Death of William McPherson, Pauper, widower of Christina Grant.
he died sixteenth/11/1893, at 4am, of Bronchitis, aged 82 yrs, living at 22 Church street, Dufftown.
father, John McPherson, Farmer, deceased.
mother, Annie McPHerson, maiden surname, Stewart, deceased.
Informant, son, William McPherson, living at Fife Mills Dufftown...
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This is the son.....in the 1881c
Dwelling: Fife Mills Cottage
Mortlach, Banff, Scotland
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Isabella THOMSON U 65 F Mortlach, Banff, Scotland
Rel: Head
Occ: Merchant
James THOMSON U 55 M Mortlach, Banff, Scotland
Rel: Brother
Occ: Shoemaker
Margaret NICHOLSON W 42 F Mortlach, Banff, Scotland
Rel: Sister
Occ: Dressmaker
Catherine NICHOLSON U 15 F Mortlach, Banff, Scotland
Rel: Neice
Occ: Domestic Servt
Elsie THOMSON 10 F Mortlach, Banff, Scotland
Rel: Neice
Occ: Scholar
William MC PHERSON U 26 M Mortlach, Banff, Scotland
Rel: Boarder
Occ: Spinner
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I feel this william is fibing about his age..
Christina his mum, was having her children in her 40s, we now have John , Jane and William....
but I can't find anything about these other children.... maybe they weren't Christened.
regards
kenjo 
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Forfarian
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I noticed that the death certificate described William mcPherson as a pauper. I happened to be in Elgin the other day, so I had a look at the Mortlach Parish Board records.
Applications for relief, 1857-1879, No 79. Date of application 1864, February 5. William McPherson, residence Dufftown, born Scotland, married, 53, labourer, wife Christina Grant, 60. Inspector visited on February 5th, 1864. Applicant is unable to work as per medical certificate; wholly disabled [this means disabled from earning, not necessarily suffering from a physical handicap BTW]. Admitted [to Register of Poor] April 16.
Ibid, No 193. Date of application 1 December 1871. William McPherson, Church Street, Dufftown, widower, 61, labourer. Inspector visited 1 December 1871. Wholly disabled; dependants Jane McPherson, daughter, aged abt 28, imbecile.
Register of Poor, No 83. William McPherson, Dufftown, 54. Admitted 16th April 1864 at 12/- per week. Born Kirkmichael, protestant, married, labourer, partially disabled, ruptured, partially destitute, no earnings. Settlement: residence. Wife Christian Grant, 61. Dewpendants living in household: Jane mcPherson, 23. Children not living in household: John McPherson, 25; James McPherson, 20.
6th February 1872. James McPherson dead. John married, residence unknown. Jane weak-minded. Christina dead.
1867, November 1st Succeeded to money sufficient to maintain him.
6 February 1872: Readmitted on roll at 10/- per week.
Nov 14 Allowance increased to 11/-
1874 Feb 3 Allowance increased to 12/6
1883 Ap 21st Allowance increased 3/6 per week
1893 Ap 15th Allowance increased 5/- per week.
1893 Nov 16th Died
If you want copies of the originals of these three items, go to http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp and then to Moray Council's Online Shop.
HTH
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Forfarian
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PS: re the 1841 Census entry and Christian/na/ne's surname.
In Scots Law a woman's legal surname does not change on marriage. It is merely a convention (probably imported from England) that she is known by her husband's surname. This is why in legal documents Mary Smith married to John Bloggs will be described as 'Mary Smith or Bloggs'. It is also why mothers' surnames generally appear in Scottish baptism entries, unlike England wher you usually get only the mother's given name.
It is quite common for wives to be listed in the census, especially in the earlier ones, under her own surname. It does not mean that she was not married!
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes; LESLIE, Mortlach; MENDUM, England; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOREY, New Monkland; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Lethnot and Navar; YOUNG, Keith
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kenjo
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Foveran,
Thankyou, for correcting me, on the true way things are, in Scotland. re Marriages.
What great detective work, with the Poor lists, It is strange that William the informant, on his fathers death, isn't mentioned as a son, in the Poor list 
I wonder why?
Kenjo
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Forfarian
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Yes, I was surprised to see that too. Normally all the children are listed, and the Inspector must have known about William because he was still alive and living locally, according to the death certificate and census.
Most odd.
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes; LESLIE, Mortlach; MENDUM, England; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOREY, New Monkland; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Lethnot and Navar; YOUNG, Keith
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gorander50
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I'm trying to find out information about a Helen McPherson Grant from Banffshire who married a Charles Nicol from Moreyshire Their address was Ballandollach P.O. Scotland and I think they were married on 7/14/1862. Charles was born in 1834. They immigrated to Port Dover, Canada.
Helen's parents were Robt or James Grant & Margaret Smith. I can't figure out where the McPherson name came from. Anyone with information on Helen or parents would be appreciated.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Gorander
Welcome to RootsChat
Have you viewed Helen's marriage cert? I ask because I am not sure whether Helen's parents were married at the time of her birth. This can often be indicated by the way the marriage details are written up regarding parents. For example if mother shows as Margaret Smith, not Margaret Grant, maiden name Smith.
There is this possible entry in 1841:
George Smith 60, farmer
Helen Smith 60
John Smith 25
Margaret Smith 25
Helen Grant 4
George Ross 10
Alexander Finlay 25
Address: Bolnapiats, Inveraron, Banff
In 1851, Margaret Smith shows as unmarried. Have a look at the household entry on http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl. If you search for a Margaret Smith, age 39 in Inveraron. Possible entries for a Helen Grant working away from home that year that could fit.
In 1861, there is this entry:
George Smith 84, Farmer Of 25 1/2 Acres
John Smith 53, son
William Smith 51, son
Margaret Smith 55, daughter
Hellen Grant 25, granddaughter, teacher b. Inveraron
Christian Smith 34, niece
George McPherson 15, nephew
Address: Bolnapiat, Inveraron, Banff
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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