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Illegitimate on death cert? DUNCAN and DAVIDSON
« on: Monday 31 July 06 21:53 UTC (UK) »
Huh

My GGGG Grandparents are Alexander Davidson and Betty/Betsy Duncan married on 17 Dec 1832, Fordoun, Kincardineshire.

On Betsy death cert (3rd Oct 1884) she is recorded as Betsy Davidson, widow of Alexander Davidson, shoemaker master, illegitimate. Father is ---- Duncan, Farmer and mother is Mary Brand, Farm servant.

Does anyone have any idea how i can find out who her father was ?
As she had the surname Duncan and not Brand does that mean he must have acknowledged her as his offspring ?

Any help or advice very welcome and appreciated.

Thanks
Debbie
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Re: Illegitimate on death cert? DUNCAN and DAVIDSON
« Reply #1 on: Monday 31 July 06 22:27 UTC (UK) »
Hi Debbie,

Perhaps the father (----- Duncan) is named in full in the Old Parish Register entry of her birth/baptism which will be about 1809.
If you give me a little time I can check it out at Stonehaven Library.

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Re: Illegitimate on death cert? DUNCAN and DAVIDSON
« Reply #2 on: Monday 31 July 06 22:32 UTC (UK) »
Hi
Thank you so much that would be great!

Debbie
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Re: Illegitimate on death cert? DUNCAN and DAVIDSON
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 01 August 06 16:22 UTC (UK) »
I've searched the Old Parish Register of Fordoun and found these entries:

"27 Nov 1798.  James Duncan, servant to Mr Brodie at Castletoun of Kincardine had his daughter Elizabeth -------- both baptised.  Witnesses were the above designed Charles Croll and William Burnet."



"27 Nov 1798.  Elizabeth, daughter of James Duncan and Jean Brand."

"24 Dec 1801. James Duncan formerly servant to Walter Brodie, Castleton of Kincardine (see page 99, 1798 of last Book of Baptism) now at Ardea parish of Brechin had his son David baptised.  Witnesses: David Bowman and David Burness."

The I.G.I. has the following:

James Duncan and Jean Brand married 2 Jun 1792, St Cyrus and 16 Jun 1792 Benholm.  In addition to David (1801) and Elizabeth (1798), they also had John born 10 Oct 1792 and baptised 14 Oct 1792 at Logie-Pert, Angus.  I don't quite know what to make of this as you said that Betty/Betsy Duncan was the daughter of ----Duncan and Mary Brand.  Perhaps the informant who registered the death was unsure of her first name ?
Let me know what you think.

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Re: Illegitimate on death cert? DUNCAN and DAVIDSON
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 01 August 06 17:16 UTC (UK) »
WOW, That was quick!

Thankyou so very verymuch!

I think you are probably right about the informant having the wrong name Mary Brand, everything else seems to fit, location, timescale and surnames.

I wonder if in fact it was Betty husband Alexander who was illegitimate, but why would that be noted on a death cert regardless of whether or not it was the case.

It is horrible to think of someone being tainted with illegitimacy their whole lives.

Betty and Alexander's 2nd son was James Davidson born 8 Feb 1843, Glenbervie, that would fit in with naming traditions.

I am now going to try and find James and Jean on the 1841 census, and i also want to find out what i can about castleton.

I really appreciate the time you have spent helping me, it would have taking me ages to find this information otherwise.

Thanks again

Debbie
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Re: Illegitimate on death cert? DUNCAN and DAVIDSON
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 01 August 06 22:11 UTC (UK) »
I don't think that either Betty Duncan or her husband Alexander were illegitimate.  Here are Alexander's parents, and their family, all born at Fordoun:

James Davidson m. 10 Feb 1802 Fordoun, Isobel Smith.

Jean b. 28 Nov 1802
Helen b. 30 Oct 1803
James b. 10 Jul 1806
Alexander b. 9 Aug 1807
William b. 19 Mar 1809
Ann b. 10 Jan 1811
William b. 28 Dec 1812

and Alexander and Betty Duncan's family, all born at Glenbervie:

Margaret b. 26 Nov 1834
John b. 26 Jan 1837
Betty b. 16 Jan 1839
Mary Ann b. 14 Apr 1841
James b. 8 Feb 1843
William b. 4 Apr 1846

It seems that the informant who registered Betty's death was also wrong about she or her husband being illegitimate.

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 01 August 06 22:14 UTC (UK) »
Hi Beveronian

The details i have on Alexander Davidson death cert is Father- William Davidson and Mother Catherine Young.
Unless these are wrong as well and i wouldn't really be surprised.

Thanks for your interest and help, much appreciated!

Debbie
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Re: Illegitimate on death cert? DUNCAN and DAVIDSON
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 01 August 06 23:02 UTC (UK) »
My apologies Debbie.  A perfect example of the perils of "plumping" for someone's parents without viewing a certificate.
The I.G.I. has no record of a marriage between the couple you mention, or the birth/baptism of their son Alexander. In view of this it looks as if he may be  illegitimate but if so it's most unusual to describe someone as illegitimate on their wife's death certificate.  I don't expect his death certificate has any mention of this ?
Incidentally, Castleton of Kincardine (now simply Castleton) is a farm one and three quarter miles east of Auchenblae. It takes it name from the ancient Kincardine Castle nearby, which is now just a rickle of stones.

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Re: Illegitimate on death cert? DUNCAN and DAVIDSON
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 02 August 06 08:01 UTC (UK) »
Hi

This is the details from Alexander Davidsons death cert:

Alexander Davidson, Shoemaker, married to Betsy Duncan. Died on 18 Mar 1874, Drumlithie. 74 years old. Father- William Davidson, house carpenter, deceased. Mother - Catherine Davidson, maiden name Young, deceased. cause Hemipligia(?) 12 months. Informant John Davidson son.

From this cert it appears Alexander parents were married.

I am completely out of ideas here.

Debbie
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