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Doug Lewis
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Aftter getting a copy of my family on the 1871 census,it states that my GG Grandmother was born Vron Montgomeryshire,could someone tell me where or what Vron is or point me in the direction of some information. I've searched the net with no success.
Regards Doug.
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Lloydy
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Hi Doug
I'm stumped on this one too!!!
Where were the family living in 1871?
I have only heard of Vron Gate which is by Westbury, Shropshire and is very close to the Montgomersyhire (Powys) border.
Jan
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Bennett, Challinor/Challenor, Mills, Evans, Lewis, Owen, Owens, Trow, James, Ashton, Betton/Beaton, Breese, Breeze, Crisp, Davies, Elias, Hudson, Hughes, Jenkins, Turner, Richards, Gethin, Tudor, Simon....plus tons of Jones!!! - All my Montgomeryshire lot!!
Challinor/Challenor - originally from Shocklach, Cheshire Betton - originally from Worthen, Shropshire
Census & BMD information Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Doug Lewis
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Jan
My family were living in Wolverhampton.
Elizabeth Lewis age 30 and her mother Mary Trow age 59
are both recorded as being born Vron Montgomeryshire Wales.
Regards Doug.
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Lloydy
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Hello again Doug,
I can find absolutely nothing on Vron, so am assuming that this was an error on someone's part on census night!! I have found my rellies in the census returns and each year the birthplaces change!!!!
Have you seen the actual image of the 1871 census page? I am not in any way doubting you but the enumerator's writing was always so hard to read.
Sorry that I can't be any more help. It's annoying me because all my family research is in Montgomeryshire and I would love to know where Vron is if only to satisfy my own curiosity!!!!
I note that you are researching LEWIS and TROW - those names appear in my Tree too - and from Montgomeryshire!!! We could be distantly related!
Jan
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Bennett, Challinor/Challenor, Mills, Evans, Lewis, Owen, Owens, Trow, James, Ashton, Betton/Beaton, Breese, Breeze, Crisp, Davies, Elias, Hudson, Hughes, Jenkins, Turner, Richards, Gethin, Tudor, Simon....plus tons of Jones!!! - All my Montgomeryshire lot!!
Challinor/Challenor - originally from Shocklach, Cheshire Betton - originally from Worthen, Shropshire
Census & BMD information Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Lloydy
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Hi again Doug
This is a very long shot but thought I'd post it here just in case. Is this your Mary Trow & daughter Elizabeth in the Newtown and Llanidloes Union Workhouse in the 1851 Montgomeryshire census?
HO107/2496, folio 420, page 6
TROW Mary, -, u, age 44, House servant
TROW Elizabeth, -, u, age 11, Scholar
both born in MGY, Berriew
I have just discovered that FRON is very near to Berriew.
Jan 
Berriew is just slightly off the map at the left hand side by the road A483
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Bennett, Challinor/Challenor, Mills, Evans, Lewis, Owen, Owens, Trow, James, Ashton, Betton/Beaton, Breese, Breeze, Crisp, Davies, Elias, Hudson, Hughes, Jenkins, Turner, Richards, Gethin, Tudor, Simon....plus tons of Jones!!! - All my Montgomeryshire lot!!
Challinor/Challenor - originally from Shocklach, Cheshire Betton - originally from Worthen, Shropshire
Census & BMD information Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Doug Lewis
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Jan
I'm really sorry I haven't been on the site for ages. I sent off to Powys Archive for them to do some research,today I received exactly the same info you posted nearly a month ago. That will teach me, I could have saved £15.
Thank you I believe that the information you have posted is my Mary and Elizabeth. I'm still trying to find where Mary's husband John Trow was at this time,anyway thats a different story.
Jan could you please do another favour,could you please see if Mary and Elizabeth are still around the same area in 1861. I know that Elizabeth was in Wolverhampton in 1864 because that is the year she married.
Once again thanks for your help and apologies for not replying sooner.
Regards Doug
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Lloydy
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Doug
I have had a look for Mary and Elizabeth in 1861 but they're not there.
You mention that you are looking for Mary's husband John. Perhaps I am missing something here but in the 1851 her status is unmarried, a single mother, which I assume that is why they are in the Workhouse. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Let me know if you want me to look further!
Jan
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Bennett, Challinor/Challenor, Mills, Evans, Lewis, Owen, Owens, Trow, James, Ashton, Betton/Beaton, Breese, Breeze, Crisp, Davies, Elias, Hudson, Hughes, Jenkins, Turner, Richards, Gethin, Tudor, Simon....plus tons of Jones!!! - All my Montgomeryshire lot!!
Challinor/Challenor - originally from Shocklach, Cheshire Betton - originally from Worthen, Shropshire
Census & BMD information Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Doug Lewis
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Jan
Thanks for the reply,I'm totally confused now,I never noticed that she was umarried.
On Elizabeths marriage certificate of 1864 it records her father as John Trow-Timber merchant.
Help!! 
Regards Doug.
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Lloydy
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Doug,
I double-checked the 1851 entry and it definitely states "U".
Do you know Elizabeth's date of birth? She should be born in approximately 1840. I did do a quick search on FreeBMD but found nothing. Of course, the index isn't complete yet. What is her age on her marriage certificate?
I also looked for a John Trow, Timber Merchant in 1851 and 1861 but none seem to fit
I'll keep thinking!!!
Jan
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Challinor/Challenor - originally from Shocklach, Cheshire Betton - originally from Worthen, Shropshire
Census & BMD information Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Doug Lewis
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Jan
Elizabeth was born about 1840,she is recorded on her marriage certificate in 1864 as being 23,I have the 1841 census that records her as 1. It makes me wander whether Mary was actually married to this John Trow?
Regards Doug
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NigelG
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Re "Vron"
The letter "F" in Welsh is pronounced as "V" - so "Fron" would be pronounced "Vron". Can only assume that the census taker was not a welsh speaker
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Doug Lewis
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Nigel
Thats very interesting,I think you may have cleared up this little mystery of "Vron". Thanks
Doug.
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Doug Lewis
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Jan
Just to keep you updated. I went to the Wolverhampton archive and looked up Mary and Elizabeth in the 1861 census. They are recorded as living in Wolverhampton as lodgers, Mary charring and Elizabeth as a servant. Mary is recorded as unmarried. So I believe that John was probably Elizabeth's father but as a timber merchant was either already married or was in a position of power ie Mary was his servant,just a thought.
Regards Doug.
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Lloydy
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Thanks for the update Doug.
John Trow is proving to be a bit of a mystery, so I had another look at the 1851 and only found one John Trow that "may fit". He's married, which you did say could be a possibility, so I've posted the details just in case.
HO107/2498, folio 211, page 25
At Llanner, in the parish of Churchstoke.
TURNER, Thomas, h, m, 30, farmer 25 acres, SAL Chirbury
TURNER, Jane, w, m, 23, , SAL Mavington
TROW, John, ld, m, 64, , MGY Montgomery
TROW, Jane, w, m, 54, , MGY Castlewright
TROW, Aaron, s, u, 18, shoemaker, MGY Llanner
TROW, William, s, u, 17, farm lab, MGY Llanner
TROW, Sarah, d, u, 12, scholar, MGY Llanner
TROW, Emma, d, u, 12, scholar, MGY Llanner
Note that there is no occupation listed for John.
There is one final thought - Elizabeth could have lied about her father's name and occupation, especially as her mother was unmarried. It was quite common in those days!!!!!
In 1861 all the John Trow's listed are too young.
Jan
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Bennett, Challinor/Challenor, Mills, Evans, Lewis, Owen, Owens, Trow, James, Ashton, Betton/Beaton, Breese, Breeze, Crisp, Davies, Elias, Hudson, Hughes, Jenkins, Turner, Richards, Gethin, Tudor, Simon....plus tons of Jones!!! - All my Montgomeryshire lot!!
Challinor/Challenor - originally from Shocklach, Cheshire Betton - originally from Worthen, Shropshire
Census & BMD information Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Doug Lewis
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Jan
Thanks for the additional information,it is appreciated. I don't think I will ever know the truth. Mary would have been at Elizabeth wedding and I believe it would have been her that said John Trow was Elizabeths father, as this information is on Elizabeths marriage certificate.
Regards Doug.
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