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janan
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Keith/Sheila
It had also occurred to me about the 1841 being around the time of Elizabeth's illness beginning - in addition it is worth noting that Joseph was born in 1840 which may have been the cause of her breakdown.
Haven't seen the Kent thread - will pop over there now.
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Keith Sherwood
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Jan and Sheila,
You're both putting a lot of time and thought and energy into this thread...
Doddington would make a better fit, and could possibly be Elizabeth CARTER's more specific birthplace than Maidstone.
This enquiry (and the one I started up in Kent) has unearthed all kinds of fascinating new areas, especially about the whole private asylum thing for those who could afford the fees in Victorian times.
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janan
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Just doing a bit more 1841 searching - tracking young Joseph. Found this family, Joseph is not with them in 1851 - of course he may have died but it is worth holding them on file perhaps Henry is Robert's brother.
Jan
Rose & Crown Court, St Botolphs Bishopgate
Henry Carter 30 Carpenter Y
Jane do 27 Y
Jane do 8 N
Henry do 7 Y
Susannah do 4 Y
Joseph do 6months Y
HO107/725/7/20 Pg33
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Jan,
Thanks so much for that - sorry I haven't acknowledged this, as I've just got back from some very successful ancestor hunting in deepest Derbyshire...
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Hope you enjoyed your time in Derbyshire
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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janan
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This family jumped out in 1841 - do you know who Robert's parents were?
?Navorina Place Tower Hamlets Hackney
Robert Carter 75 Ind Y
Lydia do 75 Y
Lydia Hancombe 15 Y
Mary Carter 4 Y
Joseph Carter 2 Y
Ann Boswell 45 F. S Y
HO107/698/2/42 Pg24
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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janan
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Sussex Ple Marylebone
Robert Carter 45 Merch N
Elizabeth Carter 45 Y
Jane Hubbs 40 Ind N
HO107/677/16/20 Pg32
Things aren't quite right but there is that occupation  There is also an Elizabeth Carter age 9 in Marylebone in a household of apparently unrelated people.
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Jan,
This is quite an amazing spot in the 1841 Census. Lots of good people on here had been gnashing their teeth looking for this family then, but there's definitely a Robert CARTER marrying a Lydia somewhere on the IGI, connected to this family, and I'm pretty sure this is the right family. The man in The Guildhall Library said that Tower Hamlets was really close to Portsoken Ward, and I'm very excited by all this.
Those "Watch" books I've mentioned on here yesterday - possibly on a new thread I started on The Common Room - mentioned a Robert CARTER and a Robert CARTER junior up to at least 1840, so this would seem to say that the Robert CARTER (the elder) was still alive and active in his 70's in The Minories, and was probably the one in the family who was signing his name there from 1817 thru to 1840.
Wow! Somehow the grandchildren are there with their grandparents, and their parents are at Sussex Place, Marylebone. I wonder whether wife Elizabeth was already beginning to struggle with her (mental) health in 1841, and her youngest children were therefore in the care of the grandparents...
I notice too that as Joseph's age is given as 2 years old, then that would point even more to an 1839 birth year.
Seem to be talking to you simultaneously on two different threads about the same ideas, but I'm really excited about the implications here.
Thank you so much,
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Janan,
Thinking further about this, could I trouble you for the household showing the 9-year Elizabeth CARTER in Marylebone in 1841. I may well have enough to be able to connect her too to this family...
Very best wishes,
keith
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Don't know where they were hiding before.
Anyway here is the possible for Elizabeth junior - I'm afraid the image is very faded so I'm struggling a bit.
Jan
 Shire St Marylebone
Ann Hill ?50 ?Grocer
?Benks/Banks Hill 30 Gold ?Bender
?Thomas ?Summer 50 Shoe M
Ann do 50
Elizabeth Carter 9
?William ?Miller 25 ?Plumber
Elizabeth do 25 + children
George ?Marner 40 M.S
Eliza do 35
Eliza ?Bartmass 45
George do 40
?Thomas do 15
They could be born in or out of county
HO107/677/5/12 Pg15
They look good finds Sheila. This is all very exciting
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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I wonder if the 15 year old Lydia Hancombe in 1841 is the same person as 28 year old Lydia Johnson married neice in 51 ?
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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And maybe Robert junior
58 Lambs Conduit St St George the Martyr
Robert Carter 15 Cabinet M Apprentice Yes
lodging with others in household of
Alexander Wills 72 Agent to Christian Instruction Society
HO107/671/2/5 Pg2
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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Well!
Take it away ladies...Seem to remember you earlier on here, Sheila, trying to find that/those elusive 1841Census CARTER entries in the London area.
This is all wonderful news, brick walls suddenly tumbling to the ground. The JOHNSON connection is very interesting as the CARTER's (through Elizabeth CARTER) married into the JOHNSON family of Cambridge in the 1860's. They were also into the clothing business, so there may well have been a long family association through the years.
That 1786 marriage looks the business, and the references to Rosemary Lane (now sadly seemingly disappeared) appear to be entirely right.
Strange how things suddenly get revved up on here after long lulls...
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