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wildgoose
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I have a date of marriage 16 8 1886, Bathgate recorded on:
Birth cert. No.165
Margaret McILVANIE.
b.1888, Jul 10th, 6 South Bridge St. Bathgate, WLN.
f.Bernard McILVANIE, coal miner.
m.Elizabeth McILVANIE, ms MONAGHAN.
marr.1886 August 28th, Bathgate.
sign.Bernard McILVANIE, father.
reg.1888, July 30th, Bathgate, Linlithgow, WLN.
I have been unable to find a marriage certificate on SP.
Also unable to find either birth or death cert. of mother Elizabeth Monaghan McILVANEY.
Is there anyone out there researching the McILVANEY & MONAGHAN families who could help?
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Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Wildgoose
Like you, I cannot see any marriage entry on SP.
Bernard at least looks to have been born in Antrim, Ireland. There is a likely entry for him and his family in Bathgate in 1881:
Hugh, 50, labourer, b. Antrim, Ireland
Margaret , 52, Antrim, Ireland
Bernard, 25, labourer, b. Antrim, Ireland
James, 20, coal miner, b. Airdrie, Lanark
John, 17, coal miner, b. Bathgate
Hugh, 14, glassworker's assistant, b. Bathgate
Address: 42 North Bridge St, Bathgate
From the children's IGI entries for births in Scotland, the mother's name is showing as Gribben/Grubbin.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Wildgoose
Have you found the family in the 1891 Census? Can't easily see an entry for Bernard on the census with lots of ** for the surname.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Many thanks. I haven't got Bernard on 1891. He died in 1900.
1891 Census recs.
Dwelling: Pender's Row
Census Place: Baillieston, LKS
Betsy Monaghan McILVANIE, head, marr, 31, coal miner's wife, WLN, Linlithgow, Blackburn.
John, son, 7, scholar, WLN, Linlithgow, Bathgate.
Mary, daur., 4, WLN, Linlithgow, Bathgate.
Margaret, daur., 2, WLN, Linlithgow, Bathgate.
Hugh, son, 2 months, LKS, Baillieston.
1901 Census recs.
Dwelling: Buchanan St.
Census Place: Old Monkland, LKS.
Annie Monaghan McILVENEY, head, wid., 40, WLN, Linlithgow, Blackburn.
John, son, unm., 17, coal miner, WLN, Linlithgow, Torphichen.
Hugh, son, 10, scholar, LKS, Baillieston.
Annie, daur., 8, scholar, LKS, Baillieston.
Patrick, son, 3, LKS, Baillieston.
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Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).
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MonicaLesl
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From her census returns, this looks like Elizabeth with her family in 1881:
Patrick, head, 46, bricklayers lab., b. Ireland
Mary, wife, 45, b. Ireland
Elizabeth, 21, cotton spinner
Owen, 19, ironstone miner
Maggie, 16, cotton spinner
Mary, 14, cotton spinner
Catherine, 11
Michael, 8
Ann, 6, b. Johnstone, Renfrew
Ellen, 3, b. Johnstone, Renfrew
William, 20, boarder, flax mill worker, b. Paisley, Renfrew
John, 15, boarder, flax mill worker, b. Glasgow, Lanark
Everyone showing as born in Blackburn, Linlithgow unless shown.
Address: 18 Dimity St, Abbey, Renfrew
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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I think mother's maiden name is CONVEY. IGI entries for children seem to match that mother. Father Patrick comes up as either Patrick or Peter (variant).
Still no sign of Elizabeth....I wonder if she was actually born in Ireland 
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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As far as I know she was born in Bathgate. I have other information but it won't fir in this message. I have never been able to tracker her birth down so Irleand is a possibility, however, Ireland as a place of birth isn't mentioned on any of Eliza's census records.
Name: Patrick MONAGHAN
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Birth: 1837 County Fermanagh, Ireland.
Death: 3 2 1895 Cross Keys Lands, Johnstone, Renfrewshire.1
Occupation: Miner
Father: Michael MONAGHAN
Mother: Margaret MONAGHAN
Marriage: 23 2 1852 Alderstone, Mid Calder, Linlithgow.
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Spouse: Mary CONVEY
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Birth: 1836 County Sligo, Ireland
Occupation: Miner's wife.
Children:
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1 F: Elizabeth MONAGHAN
Birth: 1860 Blackburn, Linlithgow.
Occupation: Mill worker
Spouse: Bernard McILVANEY
Marriage: 16 8 1886 Bathgate, Linlithgow
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2 M: Owen MONAGHAN
Birth: 26 10 1860 Blackburn, Linlithgow.2
Occupation: Ironstone miner.
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3 F: Margaret MONAGHAN
Birth: 1866 Blackburn, Linlithgow.
Occupation: Cotton Spinner
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4 F: Mary MONAGHAN
Birth: 18 11 1867 Blackburn, Linlithgow.3
Occupation: Cotton spinner
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5 F: Catherine MONAGHAN
Birth: 11 2 1870 West Calder, West Lothian4
Occupation: Corron spinner
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6 M: Michael MONAGHAN
Birth: 15 6 1872 Blackburn, Linlithgow.5
Occupation: Boilermaker
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7 F: Ann MONAGHAN
Birth: 1 12 1874 Johnstone, Renfrewshire.
Occupation: Reeler
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8 F: Ellen MONAGHAN
Birth: 1878 Johnstone, Renfrew.
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9 F: Christina MONAGHAN
Birth: 1882 Johstone, Renfrewshire.
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Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).
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MonicaLesl
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I think the 1861 entry below is the Patrick and Mary from the 1881, with child Owen who shows also in 1881.........but where is Elizabeth?:
Patrick Monaghan 29, lodger, coal miner, lodger, b. Ireland
Mary Monaghan 26, lodger wife, b. Ireland
Owen Monaghan 5 Mo, lodger, b. MacKburn, Linlithgowshire
Betsy Oharro 48, wife, b. Ireland
Mary Oharro 24, b. Ireland
Michael Oharro 63, head, agr. lab. b. Ireland
Address: Cochrane Street, Bathgate, West Lothian
Monica
With Patrick and Mary's marriage in 1852, where are the other children born 1852-60 I wonder. Some early deaths probably, but can't see any sign of Elizabeth in the 1861 index.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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:DThanks for that. I can confirm that this is Pat & Mary.
1861 Census recs.
Dwelling: Cochrane St.
Census Place: Bathgate, Linlithgow, WLN.
Lodging with Michael O'HARRO, ag. lab & family,
Patrick MONAGHAN. lodger, marr., 29, coal miner, IRL.
Mary Convey MONAGHAN, wife, marr., 26, IRL.
Owen MONAGHAN, son, 5 months, Linlithgowshire, Bathgate.
1862 Griffith's Primary Valuation recs. both MONAGHAN & CONVEY households in Cleenish Parish, Fermanagh.
1871 Census recs.
Dwelling: 2 Kirkhill
Census Place: West Calder, Edinburgh.
Patrick MONAGHAN, head, marr., 40, miner, IRL, FER.
Mary Convey MONAGHAN, wife, marr., 35, miner's wife, IRL, SLI.
Betsy, daur., 16, unm., cotton mill worker, Linlithgowshire.
Owen, son, 10, Linlithgowshire
Maggie, daur., 5, Linlithgowshire.
Mary, daur., 3, Linlithgowshire.
Catherine, daur., 1, Edinburgh, West Calder.
1881 Census recs.
Dwelling: 18 Dimity St
Census Place: Abbey, Renfrew, Scotland
Patrick MONAGHAN M 46 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Bricklayers Labourer
Mary MONAGHAN M 45 F Ireland Rel: Wife
Elizabeth MONAGHAN U 21 F Blackburn, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Daur
Occ: Cotton Spinner
Owen MONAGHAN U 19 M Blackburn, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Ironstone Miner
Maggie MONAGHAN U 16 F Blackburn, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Cotton Spinner
Mary MONAGHAN 14 F Blackburn, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Cotton Spinner
Catherine MONAGHAN 11 F Blackburn, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Michael MONAGHAN 8 M Blackburn, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar
Ann MONAGHAN 6 F Johnstone, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar
Ellen MONAGHAN 3 F Johnstone, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Daur
John MONAGHAN U 15 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Flax Mill Worker
William MONAGHAN U 20 M Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland Rel: Lodger Occ: Flax Mill Worker.
1891 Census recs.
Dwelling: 18 Dmity St.
Census Place: Johnstone, RFW.
Patrick MONAGHAN, head, marr., 59, general labourer, IRL.
Mary Convey MONAGHAN, wife, marr., 56, IRL.
Mary MONAGHAN, daur., unm., 22, cotton spinner, Linlithgowshire, Blackbridge.
Kate MONAGHAN, daur., unm., 20, cotton spinner, Linlithgowshire, Blackbridge.
Michael MONAGHAN, son., unm., 18, apprentice boilmaker, Linlithgowshire, Blackbridge.
Annie MONAGHAN, daur., unm., 16, reeler?, RFW, Johnstone.
Ellen MONAGHAN, daur., 12, scholar, RFW, Johnstone.
Tina MONAGHAN, daur., 9, scholar, RFW, Johnstone.
Annie MACKIE, boarder, 15, winder flax mill, LKS, Partick.
1901 Census recs.
Dwelling: 28 St James' St.
Census Place: Paisley, RFW
Mary Convey MONAGHAN, head, wid., 60, IRL.
John ABRAHAM, nephew, marr., 20, fire clay worker, RFW, Paisley.
Catherine ABRAHAM, boarder, marr., 22, IRL.
James McMENEMY, boarder, 21, lorryman, IRL.
John McGOWAN, 23, boarder, 23, general labourer, IRL.
Patrick McGOVERN, boarder, 18?, general labourer, IRL.
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Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).
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Here is daur. Betsy.
1871 Census: 2 Kirkhill, West Calder, Edinburgh, Betsy, daur., 16, unm., cotton mill worker, Linlithgowshire.
1881 Census: 18 Dimity St., Abbey, RFW, Elizabeth MONAGHAN U 21 F Blackburn, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Cotton Spinner
1891 Census recs.
Dwelling: Pender's Row
Census Place: Baillieston, LKS
Betsy Monaghan McILVANIE, head, marr, 31, coal miner's wife, WLN, Linlithgow, Blackburn.
John, son, 7, scholar, WLN, Linlithgow, Bathgate.
Mary, daur., 4, WLN, Linlithgow, Bathgate.
Margaret, daur., 2, WLN, Linlithgow, Bathgate.
Hugh, son, 2 months, LKS, Baillieston.
1901 Census recs.
Dwelling: Buchanan St.
Census Place: Old Monkland, LKS.
Annie[b][/b] Monaghan McILVENEY, head, wid., 40, WLN, Linlithgow, Blackburn.
John, son, unm., 17, coal miner, WLN, Linlithgow, Torphichen.
Hugh, son, 10, scholar, LKS, Baillieston.
Annie, daur., 8, scholar, LKS, Baillieston.
Patrick, son, 3, LKS, Baillieston.
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All information taken from my personal database compiled from original sources - Crown Copyright acknowledge as stated.
Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).
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Probably the 1871 Census age for Elizabeth is closest to the real thing  May even be she was born just before 1855......would explain why there may be no birth reg. for her post 1855. I'll go back to the 1861 census index and see if there is an older Elizabeth showing. With the parents marriage in 1852 in Scotland, the Irish birth option doesn't look likely.
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Thanks again 
I'm going on SP (again) and see if I can find a death cert. for Eliza.
Dave 
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Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).
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Elizabeth is just not jumping out from the 1861 Census index. All the relevant entries showing as 'daughter' with different birth places. Had a look at 1851 and can see Patrick at home with parents Michael and Margaret and siblings. Have you got this entry or do you want me to post it?
Regards.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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If you could let me have the details of the 1851 Census I can then download the image from SP or you can email me it.
Thanks
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Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).
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