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Colin Y
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Foreign Clerk Correspondent (Desk)
« on: Sunday 18 June 06 12:31 UTC (UK) »

Hi Folks

In the 1881 census one of my CHILD family heads is described as a Mercant while his son, then aged 22 is decribed as a "Foreign Clerk Correspondent (Desk)" They Lived in Addison Road, Holland Park a very smart neighbourhood.

Does anyone have any idea what Foreign Clerk Correspondent (Desk) means?

Then the son wed in 1881 and moved to Sidcup/Foots Cray before relocating the family to the new Branksome Development at Poole with 3 staff at some time pre 1901.

By 1901 the son is listed as a 'Retired Merchant" at 43, so it must have been lucrative. He has a Flat in Town at Bedford Mansions, Bloomsbury, as well as the Branksome place.

Any thoughts as to how we might find out who his employers were would be appreciated too!

Colin
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Re: Foreign Clerk Correspondent (Desk)
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 18 June 06 21:04 UTC (UK) »

Two things spring to mind.  The Foreign Office talks in terms of "desks" meaning, more or less, departments.  Alternatively, "correspondent" calls newspapers to mind.
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Re: Foreign Clerk Correspondent (Desk) FO or newspapers?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 19 June 06 08:34 UTC (UK) »

Thanks for that.

I had wondered about the FO but had no personal knowledge. Any idea how I would go about finding if he worked for the FO?

His lifestyle didnt lend itself to newspaper work, unless he owned it and I dont think he did. But again how might I go about finding if a newspaper 'owned' him? I have a relative who went to London in 1899 as a Printer Compositor. I know there was some Trade Society who he would have had to belong to to do so but have never been able to find out more.

Thanks for your help

Colin
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Re: Foreign Clerk Correspondent (Desk)
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 27 June 06 16:38 UTC (UK) »

Hi Colin

I'm attaching the image, because, dispite the transcription you have used I don't think it says "Clerk" which leads me more towards the newspaper idea

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Re: Foreign Clerk Correspondent (Desk)
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 28 June 06 10:03 UTC (UK) »

Hi Wendi

I see what you mean.

It look as if its Foreign Corrspondent and someone has written over it a word that could be 'delph'. Could this be the paper he worked for.. possibly an abbreviation for Daily Telegraph?

I have seen before odd little scribbles over the occupation sections of censuses. Wjho wrote them? Would it be lilley to indicate an employer ever?

Thanks for the original copy

Colin
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Re: Foreign Clerk Correspondent (Desk)
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 28 June 06 10:14 UTC (UK) »

"Foreign Correspondent" which has later been categorised as "clerk" see:
http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~matthew/work/occlass.htm for the way the classification system worked

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Re: Foreign Clerk Correspondent (Desk)
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 28 June 06 15:07 UTC (UK) »

Thank you Casa

Though that refers to the 1881 I assume it was used thereafter. Correspondent never mind 'foreign correspondent's do not appear there specifically but I see what you mean.

So, now I have to find out which London papers would have had a foreign correspondent at that time and hopefully track him down that way.

Since there were a number of CHILDs in India I suppose its a good guess he was there in 1891.

His father was a "merchant" and your essex.ac.uk source details Merchants as being referred to by the good that they dealt with, unless they were foreign merchants in whch case they appear as Merchant. So that explains that Henry William Grace CHILD (HWRChilds father) who appear on the 1881 as a retired merchant living in Holland Park, was an importer/exporter. It would be nice to know more about him and his business.

Perhaps my July planned visit to the BL to the India Office section will turn up more but any other ideas you guys? Please!

Thanks for the guidance.

Colin
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Re: Foreign Clerk Correspondent (Desk)
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 28 June 06 16:49 UTC (UK) »

Hi casalguidi I can see the Clerk now, when I posted it I was reading the same word as desk - which is I suppose how the transcription was made using both words - funny how the eye can play tricks on one  Grin

Good luck Colin,

Wendi
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FRANKLIN ~ Clerkenwell, London
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Re: Foreign Clerk Correspondent (Desk)
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 06 August 06 21:37 UTC (UK) »

Hi

Looking through the Times Archive and at the London Gazette I found HWRChild and WABeney (his wifes brother) broke up their partnership in 1895 - a year after his divorce - I wonder if it could have been due to his fathering illeg children - 2 girls perhaps...? anyway the partnership were merchants and manufactureres in Eastcheap.

Can that help us?

Colin
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COLLERIN aka COLLINS GALLAGHER and COX [RC] Highgate, Small Heath, Birmingham 1840-, IRL (?) earlier
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