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Topic: YOUNG or WILKS in Worcester or TUDGEY (Read 567 times)
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honey-roma88
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That's right. Waiting for the "something to click into place" is the problem  Thank you for being willing to help. If only he'd had a name like Ebenezer or Jabez or anything but William!! Not sure if I can post the picture I want. I did manage to send it to the practice site in pdf format. But it was too huge for words. I'll try the gif I've just done and see if that works. Hmm. I don't think it did. Hey, it did, but it's a bit big. I hope that's okay.
That is fantastic, I can definitely see a resemblance especially in the lips. He was a very good-looking bloke. 
I'm trying to do my Smith line so I can definitely sympathise with the common name problem. Trying to find the right John Smith is near on impossible.
Although sometimes having a strange name is just as bad because they are commonly mistranscribed or misspelt.
I got stuck on my first Tudgay for ages. There was a Priscilla Tudgay baptised when my Priscilla was an adult as Priscilla Morgan Tudgay but it never said on the baptism records it was for an adult so I assumed it was a child's baptism, probably a niece of my Priscilla, and then I realised that all four sisters had been baptised on the same day as adults, two of them already married hence their married names being used as well.
Who knows why they weren't baptised as children although perhaps the same thing happened to William, maybe he was never baptised...hmmm.
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Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT
Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS
French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT
English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY, NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS
Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE
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honey-roma88
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Grandad Cecil
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He was good looking, wasn't he? I agree You mentioned your Smith line. Where are your Smiths from? I've got a Smith line, too. In fact, my dad was a Smith! Jamie
My Smiths are from Oxfordshire and married into the Morgans. Priscilla Tudgay's grandson in fact, Charles Morgan. He married an Ellen Smith, daughter of Thomas Smith and Alice Grant.
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Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT
Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS
French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT
English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY, NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS
Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE
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honey-roma88
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My Smiths were from Norfolk, then Essex, then Surrey. I had wondered if there was a Romany connection through them, but maybe not. The Tudgeys seem to be the route to follow.
Jamie
What sort of jobs did they do? I have Smiths that married into the Morgan line so are indirectly related to the Tudgays but they are from Oxfordshire.
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BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT
Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS
French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT
English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY, NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS
Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE
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Jamie H
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The furthest back I've been able to go is with:
Samuel Smith who married Sophia Wright 6 Nov. 1803 Diss, Norfolk. He was a chaffcutter. The Smiths moved to Maldon in Essex and the male descendants were carpenters. Not Romany occupations
Do you think that a YOUNG family in Worcester who were blacksmiths, could be Romany from the point of view of occupation? Because Elizabeth YOUNG married, firstly, Thomas WILKS, and then Edward TUDGEY (in Hallow in 1870). And I have thought that the dark colouring I've been investigating could have come from the YOUNG line, or the WILKS line if it wasn't the TUDGEYs.
Jamie
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TUDGEY; STEVENS (Surrey); SMITH (Surrey, Essex, Norfolk); WILKS (Worcs); YOUNG (Worcs); COWLEY (Ireland, Surrey); GROVE (Hampshire); REEVES (Gloucs. Worcs.); RETFORD (Hampshire, Surrey); FAIRBROTHER (Kent); WEBB (Surrey, Bucks); WILLIAMS (Pembrokeshire). Nicol (Scotland);DOLLOWAY (Kent); BOX (Worcs).
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honey-roma88
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The furthest back I've been able to go is with:
Samuel Smith who married Sophia Wright 6 Nov. 1803 Diss, Norfolk. He was a chaffcutter. The Smiths moved to Maldon in Essex and the male descendants were carpenters. Not Romany occupations
Do you think that a YOUNG family in Worcester who were blacksmiths, could be Romany from the point of view of occupation? Because Elizabeth YOUNG married, firstly, Thomas WILKS, and then Edward TUDGEY (in Hallow in 1870). And I have thought that the dark colouring I've been investigating could have come from the YOUNG line, or the WILKS line if it wasn't the TUDGEYs.
Jamie
Hmm, being a blacksmith wasn't a typical Romany job anymore than being a carpenter but I'm certain I have seen both jobs being done by travelling people.
Some of my ancestors who I know (not just suspect) were travellers were masons which is hardly your typical Romany job but they both came separately from the same general area in Somerset/Wiltshire where stone working is very common so they probably picked up different skills depending on the type of work that was commonly needed in the areas they travelled in. (Sorry I don't think I explained that very well).
Often looking at neighbours' occupations can help although it is hardly conclusive evidence. With only one exception, on my line they are living amongst general dealers/hawkers/pedlars/tinplate workers/cutlers etc although it does of course depend on when they settled. I'm pretty sure that my Morgan family had settled by the end of the 19th century in London and possibly as early as the 1850s. In which case there is no guarantee they will still be living amongst travellers.
It's very hard to prove unless you have family stories or just masses of evidence but I have heard several times the suggestion about the Tudgay line so my assumption that they were English people who married in (as in my line it was a woman not a man which although not favoured was preferred to a man marrying in) has grounds to be doubted.
Coupled with the dark colouring there is reason to believe the suggestions have some basis and if they are it is probable that the families they married into (eg. the Marshalls, Youngs, Wilks etc) were of traveling blood too.
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Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT
Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS
French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT
English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY, NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS
Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE
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Jamie H
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Well, if you do happen to come across the link between my William Tudgey and your Tudgey folk, do let me know. I seem to have gone as far as I can with the Wilks, Tudgeys and Youngs and have got stuck with all of them. But, one never knows 
Jamie
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TUDGEY; STEVENS (Surrey); SMITH (Surrey, Essex, Norfolk); WILKS (Worcs); YOUNG (Worcs); COWLEY (Ireland, Surrey); GROVE (Hampshire); REEVES (Gloucs. Worcs.); RETFORD (Hampshire, Surrey); FAIRBROTHER (Kent); WEBB (Surrey, Bucks); WILLIAMS (Pembrokeshire). Nicol (Scotland);DOLLOWAY (Kent); BOX (Worcs).
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honey-roma88
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Thank you, that is great. 
I think that is my great x 6 grandfather. At least he didn't actually kill those people. 
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BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT
Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS
French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT
English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY, NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS
Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE
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