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kena
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Hi, please can anybody tell me if Brayton Gate in the parish of Allhallows would be a place or a farm. Have found a death there of a 1 year old called Richard Reay in 1821 and the parents names on a baptism for a Richard Reay in 1820 in Aspatria match up with some of my ancestors whose parents were also of Brayton Gate when the kids were baptised.
Very grateful for any help anybody can give me.
Thanks
Anna
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Mullon, Fowell, Thornely, Wilding, Lowndes,Gallimore - Cheshire
Routledge, Bell, Gillesby, Armstrong, Forster, Ewart, Nixon, Kennedy,Reay,Wright,Nattrass,Little,Richardson - Cumberland
Winsborough, Hannabus, Copp, Salter, Bray, Williams, Bonney, Creedy, Matthews, Kelner - Devon
Minto, - Durham
Allaker, Fitch,Groom,Queary - Essex
Steeple, Moult, Woodcock - Lancashire
Trafford, Hambleton, Cordon, Sweetman, Goldstraw, Brough, Barton, Dawson, Sutton, Stevenson - Staffordshire
Huess - Somerset
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Geoff E
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Brayton Gate was probably related to Brayton Hall, just a mile or two NE of Aspatria.
Find the hall at www.old-maps.co.uk search for Baggrow, then move north a bit.
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kena
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Hi Geoff, Thanks very much for that, my ancestor John Reay (who was the father of all these kids) was a stonecutter/stonemason so I don't know what that would be in relation to the hall.
Anna
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Mullon, Fowell, Thornely, Wilding, Lowndes,Gallimore - Cheshire
Routledge, Bell, Gillesby, Armstrong, Forster, Ewart, Nixon, Kennedy,Reay,Wright,Nattrass,Little,Richardson - Cumberland
Winsborough, Hannabus, Copp, Salter, Bray, Williams, Bonney, Creedy, Matthews, Kelner - Devon
Minto, - Durham
Allaker, Fitch,Groom,Queary - Essex
Steeple, Moult, Woodcock - Lancashire
Trafford, Hambleton, Cordon, Sweetman, Goldstraw, Brough, Barton, Dawson, Sutton, Stevenson - Staffordshire
Huess - Somerset
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kena
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Hi again, not so far as I know but he could maybe be a distant relative, you never know.
Anna
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Mullon, Fowell, Thornely, Wilding, Lowndes,Gallimore - Cheshire
Routledge, Bell, Gillesby, Armstrong, Forster, Ewart, Nixon, Kennedy,Reay,Wright,Nattrass,Little,Richardson - Cumberland
Winsborough, Hannabus, Copp, Salter, Bray, Williams, Bonney, Creedy, Matthews, Kelner - Devon
Minto, - Durham
Allaker, Fitch,Groom,Queary - Essex
Steeple, Moult, Woodcock - Lancashire
Trafford, Hambleton, Cordon, Sweetman, Goldstraw, Brough, Barton, Dawson, Sutton, Stevenson - Staffordshire
Huess - Somerset
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RedFox
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Hi, kena. I was in Aspatria last year and was disappointed to learn that the farm area at Brayton has been demolished. I think there was a very destructive fire. There is an exclusive restaurant on that site now. Another trip I may get a chance to investigate it. Sir Lawson's family would be appalled; their families lived there for several generations.
I think Aspatria, Brayton, and Allhollows are all close to being together from what I've seen on a map. Also, having been in the area, things are not very far apart.
My mother's family lived in Aspatria, Newtown, and Fletchertown. As well as Gilcrux, Plumbland, and Dearham. The later village is further toward the southwest.
It's well worth the time I spent there, also the time spent in the Castle Record Office in Carlisle and Wigton. You may find quite a bit on the Reay family in those two offices. I've seen the name many times in perusing the 1841 - 1881 census records, so there were a lot of them. I have copies of the records; only for the pages pertaining to my family. Also the Cumberland list through RootsWeb.com.
Most of my info originally came from Ancestory.com, but I no longer have access to it at home. However, most libraries (including mine) have a subscription.
Good luck with your continued research. RedFox
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CUMLD: Davidson, Robson, Atkinson, Blackburn, Wilkinson, Mumberson, Milburn
CRNWL: Dawe, Bawden, Leming
CHES: Heginbotham
YRK: Dawe, Jackson, Ranson, Leming
LANC: Dawe, Harris, Thomas, Bellamy or Billany, Bayliff, Madsen
EAST SSX: Etchingham - Woolgar
SCT: RXB-Robson, REN & LNK-Lisle/Lyle/Leill, Taylor, Masson
WALES: Dawe
USA: MI - Dawe, Stringer, Lisle, Robson, Davidson, Mills, Handy, Betzner, Leeper, Fankboner, Ross, Lyle
IRE: Bell, Prestley/Priestley
GER: Wuerttemberg - Betz
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kena
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Hi Redfox, Thanks very much for the info, please was the Brayton area very big do you know, also do Wigton and Thursby also lie in close proximity to it.
Thanks
Anna
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Mullon, Fowell, Thornely, Wilding, Lowndes,Gallimore - Cheshire
Routledge, Bell, Gillesby, Armstrong, Forster, Ewart, Nixon, Kennedy,Reay,Wright,Nattrass,Little,Richardson - Cumberland
Winsborough, Hannabus, Copp, Salter, Bray, Williams, Bonney, Creedy, Matthews, Kelner - Devon
Minto, - Durham
Allaker, Fitch,Groom,Queary - Essex
Steeple, Moult, Woodcock - Lancashire
Trafford, Hambleton, Cordon, Sweetman, Goldstraw, Brough, Barton, Dawson, Sutton, Stevenson - Staffordshire
Huess - Somerset
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RedFox
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Hi, kena. Wigton lies between Aspatria and Carlisle. It's about a 10-15 minute drive to Wigton from Aspatria, I would guess, thinking back. There are several good highways out of Carlisle, one that passes the outskirts of Wigton, then goes down to Aspatria. The other is south of the area.
Don't recall where Thursby is, although I've heard of it. There are a number of small villages in that area. One place to check would be MultiMap.com. I used that site for all the planning when I went to England last year. I got so I really knew the area (at least for the places I was looking for) and their location in relation to Carlisle, where I stayed for 11 days/12 nights.
A map might give you a better idea of the size of Brayton. My guess is, the Lawson family had a lot of land. They were quite wealthy; he was Sir Lawson, I believe and an MP. There was both farming and mining on the land. Haven't been able to come up with the name of the other map site I've used.
Sorry I couldn't be more help. So much was going on during my trip, I had to keep a diary. Maybe I should refer to it; I'm operating on memory right now. RedFox.
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CUMLD: Davidson, Robson, Atkinson, Blackburn, Wilkinson, Mumberson, Milburn
CRNWL: Dawe, Bawden, Leming
CHES: Heginbotham
YRK: Dawe, Jackson, Ranson, Leming
LANC: Dawe, Harris, Thomas, Bellamy or Billany, Bayliff, Madsen
EAST SSX: Etchingham - Woolgar
SCT: RXB-Robson, REN & LNK-Lisle/Lyle/Leill, Taylor, Masson
WALES: Dawe
USA: MI - Dawe, Stringer, Lisle, Robson, Davidson, Mills, Handy, Betzner, Leeper, Fankboner, Ross, Lyle
IRE: Bell, Prestley/Priestley
GER: Wuerttemberg - Betz
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kena
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Hi RedFox, Thanks very much for that, I think a place close to Thursby might be Westward. Next May I will be going up to the Scottish Borders where I also have quite a few ancestors as my greatgrandmother was actually born in Newcastleton in Roxburghshire, while I am there I should also be visiting round different villages in the Stapleton/Bewcastle area (my familyname, Kennedy come from that area, especially Stapleton where there are still quite a few gravestones of my direct ancestors coming right down to my grandparents). Unfortunately I won't be able to go to the area where my Reay's are from this time but I really hope to get up there one of these days.
Thanks again
Anna
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Mullon, Fowell, Thornely, Wilding, Lowndes,Gallimore - Cheshire
Routledge, Bell, Gillesby, Armstrong, Forster, Ewart, Nixon, Kennedy,Reay,Wright,Nattrass,Little,Richardson - Cumberland
Winsborough, Hannabus, Copp, Salter, Bray, Williams, Bonney, Creedy, Matthews, Kelner - Devon
Minto, - Durham
Allaker, Fitch,Groom,Queary - Essex
Steeple, Moult, Woodcock - Lancashire
Trafford, Hambleton, Cordon, Sweetman, Goldstraw, Brough, Barton, Dawson, Sutton, Stevenson - Staffordshire
Huess - Somerset
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RedFox
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Will coincidences never cease. My great, greatgrandfather was supposedly born in Newcastleton in 1799. According to the census records; last name ROBSON. It is a beautiful area. I spent a week in the Scottish borders (including Edinburgh and Glasgow) for a week before returning to Carlisle. That's why the 12 nights.
I was fortunate to have someone drive my car about the Newcastleton area the first day. Plus it was very nice (it rained the rest of the week), so I got a chance to see the scenery. Bruce is very knowledgeable. We took in Heritage Castle. Would have gone to the historical office in Newcastleton, but it was a Sunday. He crossed back and forth over the border, just as the reivers would have. We also went to the site where Castleton was. That's quite a story.
If you'll write me a personal message; I'll give you the address where you can find you can find the pictures I took last year. I put them on a yahoo.com site.
It may be a few hours before I answer you. Need to call it quits for now. RedFox
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CUMLD: Davidson, Robson, Atkinson, Blackburn, Wilkinson, Mumberson, Milburn
CRNWL: Dawe, Bawden, Leming
CHES: Heginbotham
YRK: Dawe, Jackson, Ranson, Leming
LANC: Dawe, Harris, Thomas, Bellamy or Billany, Bayliff, Madsen
EAST SSX: Etchingham - Woolgar
SCT: RXB-Robson, REN & LNK-Lisle/Lyle/Leill, Taylor, Masson
WALES: Dawe
USA: MI - Dawe, Stringer, Lisle, Robson, Davidson, Mills, Handy, Betzner, Leeper, Fankboner, Ross, Lyle
IRE: Bell, Prestley/Priestley
GER: Wuerttemberg - Betz
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kena
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Hi, I will be spending 5 nights in the Borders, staying in Newcastleton and Hawick, probably spending every waking moment searching out my ancestors in the Borders and Cumbria. That is the first part of the holiday, the second part will involve keeping the parents content on a visit to some Scottish Islands (nothing against them but not completely my cup of tea, I was a bit overloaded with them as a kid)  .
Will send you a pm regarding the kind offer of the photos.
Thanks
Anna
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Mullon, Fowell, Thornely, Wilding, Lowndes,Gallimore - Cheshire
Routledge, Bell, Gillesby, Armstrong, Forster, Ewart, Nixon, Kennedy,Reay,Wright,Nattrass,Little,Richardson - Cumberland
Winsborough, Hannabus, Copp, Salter, Bray, Williams, Bonney, Creedy, Matthews, Kelner - Devon
Minto, - Durham
Allaker, Fitch,Groom,Queary - Essex
Steeple, Moult, Woodcock - Lancashire
Trafford, Hambleton, Cordon, Sweetman, Goldstraw, Brough, Barton, Dawson, Sutton, Stevenson - Staffordshire
Huess - Somerset
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kena
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Hi Redfox, if you need any lookups doing regarding your great great grandfather Robson I have the 1841 to 1861 Castleton censuses in bookform and also the Castleton MI's in bookform.
Just let me know
Anna
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Mullon, Fowell, Thornely, Wilding, Lowndes,Gallimore - Cheshire
Routledge, Bell, Gillesby, Armstrong, Forster, Ewart, Nixon, Kennedy,Reay,Wright,Nattrass,Little,Richardson - Cumberland
Winsborough, Hannabus, Copp, Salter, Bray, Williams, Bonney, Creedy, Matthews, Kelner - Devon
Minto, - Durham
Allaker, Fitch,Groom,Queary - Essex
Steeple, Moult, Woodcock - Lancashire
Trafford, Hambleton, Cordon, Sweetman, Goldstraw, Brough, Barton, Dawson, Sutton, Stevenson - Staffordshire
Huess - Somerset
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RedFox
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Hi, Kena. Was just re-reading the messages on Brayton and Newcastleton. Too bad you can't go to both, but can understand how that happens.
I hope to go back to Newcastleton and the Liddledale Museum. It's only open in the afternoons four days a week. There area several hotels in town. But if I had a car I'd drive to the Horse & Hound Country Inn which is about 20 miles away in Boncaster Bridge, Hawick. It's an old coaching inn opened in 1700. The en-suite bath was the best of my whole trip. Granted there was no elevator/lift. But there is a great dining room and bar with a wonderful fireplace. I stayed there in 2005 and will get back this trip (2008) or the next.
There is also a hotel in Aspatria. If you stayed in Carlisle, it's an hour drive to Newcastleton (you're only 8 miles from the Border) and about one-half hour to Aspatria-Brayton. I would love to go to the Islands and hope to include that on the trip after 2008.
I swore I would never drive in Hawick again. Also in the area and where I did drive: Lochcarron is a great woolen mill that was in Galashiels and a glass blowing shop in Selkirk. There is a beautiful abbey in Jedburgh and I've heard the other ones are great as well. Would love to hear about your trip. I assume you went in 2006. RedFox
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CUMLD: Davidson, Robson, Atkinson, Blackburn, Wilkinson, Mumberson, Milburn
CRNWL: Dawe, Bawden, Leming
CHES: Heginbotham
YRK: Dawe, Jackson, Ranson, Leming
LANC: Dawe, Harris, Thomas, Bellamy or Billany, Bayliff, Madsen
EAST SSX: Etchingham - Woolgar
SCT: RXB-Robson, REN & LNK-Lisle/Lyle/Leill, Taylor, Masson
WALES: Dawe
USA: MI - Dawe, Stringer, Lisle, Robson, Davidson, Mills, Handy, Betzner, Leeper, Fankboner, Ross, Lyle
IRE: Bell, Prestley/Priestley
GER: Wuerttemberg - Betz
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kena
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Hi RedFox, I eventually got to Newcastleton May this year after having broken my leg the previous November which I am still recovering from. We stayed at the The Grapes (a lovely familyrun hotel which I can very much recommend) and at the Mansfield House in Hawick (not so much my cup of tea). Went to Bewcastle, Stapleton, Lanercost, Kirkandrews on Esk in Cumbria. Bellingham, Elsdon, Falstone in Northumberland and Teviothead, Roberton, Peebles, Traquair, Manor and Yarrow in the Borders, a big trip. We also met one of my late grandad's cousins in Newcastleton which was lovely. Next May we are going to the Lakes when we will be paying a visit to Carlisle which I can't wait for and of course will definitley be going back to Newcastleton sometime in the future.
Anna
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Mullon, Fowell, Thornely, Wilding, Lowndes,Gallimore - Cheshire
Routledge, Bell, Gillesby, Armstrong, Forster, Ewart, Nixon, Kennedy,Reay,Wright,Nattrass,Little,Richardson - Cumberland
Winsborough, Hannabus, Copp, Salter, Bray, Williams, Bonney, Creedy, Matthews, Kelner - Devon
Minto, - Durham
Allaker, Fitch,Groom,Queary - Essex
Steeple, Moult, Woodcock - Lancashire
Trafford, Hambleton, Cordon, Sweetman, Goldstraw, Brough, Barton, Dawson, Sutton, Stevenson - Staffordshire
Huess - Somerset
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;Dhi, dunno if this will be any use to you, but brayton domain was a coal mine at aspatria, some of the workings can still be seen, there is a site for old pits if any one was hurt or killed at work the durham mining museum site will list them as well as photos of the pits,. wodell
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