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Sarah Stone
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Mary SPEIR b 1806
« on: Wednesday 16 August 06 21:32 BST (UK) »

Looking for the death or any other info on this girl....
Mary Speir (Spier)
Born March 1806 @ Biglees, West Kilbride.
Another sibling called Mary born 1816 so assume 1st Mary died bef 1816.
Between 1819 and 1811 the family moved to Yonderhouses, Ardrossan so she could have died at either place.
Any help appreciated.
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CROWDER.... Cheshire & Ireland
HANDYSIDE.Edinburgh & Pendlebury
MAYOH.Turton
SKINNER.Winchombe
ROUTLEDGE. Carlisle & Lanercost
HUDSON........Warrington
WYLIE............Kilwinning
SPURLING......Kilwinning
McDOUGALL.Kilmore & Kilbride
MAITLAND.St Quivox, Saltcotes & Ardrossen
SPEI(IE)R(S).West Kilbride
DICKIE..Kilwinning
TOPPIN, Hutton-in-the-Forest
WOODWARD. Winchombe
KIRKPATRICK/OGLANBY. Carlisle
BRADY, Grappenhall

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Re: Mary SPEIR b 1806
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 20 January 07 09:48 GMT (UK) »

Hi Sarah,
I expect that you have sorted this out by now but I have only just joined Roots Chat. It was Margaret not Mary born in 1806.

My husband is descended from Margaret's younger brother James. I believe that you have information on their parents John Speir and Janet Dickie. I should be grateful for any help. If I have any information that you need then I'll be very pleased to share. Copies of original docs. etc.

Best regards, Yvonne


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Re: Mary SPEIR b 1806
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 20 January 07 14:42 GMT (UK) »

hi yvonne, big welcome to rootschat, wonder if this is any good to you?

john speir was born around 1777 west kilbride

janet dickie was born around 1781 west kilbride

they married 15/2/1802

children i have found so far from the marriage

john...2/4/1802
allen...23/2/1804
margaret...15/3/1806
janet...2/12/1807
hugh...28/9/1808
james...21/11/1809
mary...30/1/1816
elizabeth...2/12/1820
robert...17/10/1822
james...31/12/1825

by 1841 only hugh is living on yonderhouses farm

1841 census; yonderhouses farm, adrossan

hugh...age 25...farmer
agnes...age 25
janet...age 10 months

1851 censusauchenskeith farm, dalry

john...head...age 48...farmer of 180 acres...born west kilbride
jane...wife...age 42...born dalry

john married jean rodger on 11th feb 1826, he was on this farm in 1841 and the 1861 census. john's brother robert is also on the farm.

john and jean's children;

john...age 20...employed on farm
jane...age 17...employed on farm
margaret...age 15...employed on farm
robert...age 14
mary...age 12
allan...age 10
janet...age 8
elizabeth...age 5
ann...age 3
georgina rodger...age 1
robert...brother...age 28

1851 census; lockwood farm, adrossan

allen...head...age 47...farmer of 153 acres...born west kilbride
jean...wife...age 44...born stewarton

robert married jean robertson on 25th feb 1832

their children:

james...age 18...works on farm
john...age 16...works on farm
hugh...age 15...works on farm
allen...age 13
robert...age 12
archibald...age 9
william...age 5
jean...age 3
isabella...age 1

if you require any look ups yvonne, please feel fre to ask

Joe


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Re: Mary SPEIR b 1806
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 21 January 07 09:27 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Joe. I've had difficulty finding James born 1825 in the 1851 and 1861 census. In 1841 he's living with his father and mother in the house next to Yonderhouse Farm. His father dies between 1841 - 1849 and his mother Janet dies on 4th November 1849. I presume that this is the trigger for the family leaving Yonderhouses. He turns up again in the 1871 census living with his nephew Robert, presumably his brother John's son.

I'm now trying to find out more about father and mother John Speir and Janet Dickie. Probably through the parish records.

Best regards, Yvonne


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Re: Mary SPEIR b 1806
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 21 January 07 17:08 GMT (UK) »

Hi to you both..... Now I really am confused I have John Spie(ei)r born in `759 Married Janet Dickie in 1802. Have I missed out a generation somewhere on the Speir line?
I had sorted out the Margaret Mary thing, thanks but am now also a little confused by your list Joe. You have 1851 John age 48 and "Jane" wife age 42 then you say John married " Jean ".....Guess I am being a bit thick today!

Have you seen the Yahoo groups Speir heritage web site?

Assuming I have the correct person I have 3 generations back from John & Janet of Biglees/Yonderhouses


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Re: Mary SPEIR b 1806
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 January 07 18:11 GMT (UK) »

i reckon that the john on the 1851 census is the son of john and janet dickie, who was born 1802

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Re: Mary SPEIR b 1806
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 January 07 21:44 GMT (UK) »

You have John Speir dob abt [/b]1777[b] married Janet Dickie dob 1781. I have John Spier dob [/b]02/03/1759[b] married Janet Dickie. Have I missed a generation with the Johns.
Which John married Jean Rodger?


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Re: Mary SPEIR b 1806
« Reply #7 on: Monday 22 January 07 10:57 GMT (UK) »

Hi Sarah,
Thanks for getting in touch.

The dob (abt) 1777 for John Speir comes from a family tree input into the FamilySearch web site. It is incorrect. Don't know by whom as the person is not supporting the site any more. In the 1841 census John Speirs is 80 years old and Janet Speirs is 55 years old living at Yonderhouse next door to Yonderhouse Farm where their son Hugh is living. This makes John's dob about 1761.

The John Speir married to Jane Rodger is the son of John Speir and Janet Dickie.

So you have not missed out a generation.

I have registered with the Speirheritage web site. Now I'm awaiting acceptance. Please can you authorise.

I'm looking forward to finding more generations.
Thanks and best regards, Yvonne


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Re: Mary SPEIR b 1806
« Reply #8 on: Monday 22 January 07 22:14 GMT (UK) »

John Speirs dob 02/03/1759 in Kilruskin (married to Janet Dickie 18/01/1802)
Parents... Allan Speirs dob 1716. Married 23/02/1748/49. Died 06/08/1789 Farmer @ Kilruskin.
Janet Thomson dob 21/12/1726 Finnifoot Bapt 24/12/1725 (That can't be right, must check date) Died 09/01/1807.

Allan's parents John Spiers bapt 24/06/1694 in Kilwinning. Wife unknown.
His parents John Spiers and Janet Anderson

Janet Thomson's parents...... Hugh Thompson bapt 22/07/1694, Annot, West Kilbride Married June 1725. (...His parents James Thomson & Janet Reid his siblings John bapt 18/09/1692 & Janet 19/11/1695... exactly 257 years before me!!!)
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Re: Mary SPEIR b 1806
« Reply #9 on: Monday 22 January 07 22:30 GMT (UK) »

Janet Dickie dob 15/07/1781 @ Lyssands, Dalry parents John Dickie dob Feb 1753 @ Corsehill, Kilwinning. Married 31/07/1780 farmer @ Lyssands. Married Ann Campbell dob 18/12/1761. Bapt 23/12/1761.

John Dickie's parents ... John Dickie born abt 1724 married Agnes Young (born abt 1782) Aug 1759 (needs checking)

It's amazing the discrepancies you find when giving info to other folk

Ann Campbell's parents ... John Campbell born abt 1734 ( his parents John Campbell and Elizabeth Boyd born abt 1720)
Margaret Smith born 05/08/1733 (her parents Archibald Smith married Margaret Cochran on 04/12/1720 kilwinning


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Re: Mary SPEIR b 1806
« Reply #10 on: Monday 22 January 07 22:37 GMT (UK) »

Quote from: Sarah Stone on Wednesday 16 August 06 21:32 BST (UK)

Just realised I did not make this very clear. What I forgot to mention was that the Mary Speir I had that was born in 1806 was a twin to Margaret. I knew about Margaret as it is her I am decended from!!
I also have an un named daughter being born 21/06/1818


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Re: Mary SPEIR b 1806
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 23 January 07 13:53 GMT (UK) »

Hi Sarah,
Thanks for all of the information, it will take me some time to digest.

Still cannot get into Speirheritage, it says membership "pending".

I have the unnamed daughter born 1818 but I do not have Mary twin sister to Margaret born 1806. I have re-run my searches and still cannot find twin Mary. How do you know?

I expect that you have all of the regular census info. on Margaret but do you have?: -

it could be her mentioned in the 1837 Pigot's Gazetteer as Margaret Maitland a flesher in Quay St, Saltcoats. Look under Saltcoats on the web site below.
http://fp.ayrshireroots.plus.com/Towns/
or if you cannot get into that one try
http://www.threetowners.com/

Her headstone in Dalry cemetery. Look for Margaret Speir under Dalry on the web site below. It has been erected by her son John. There are no pictures on the site but if you contact Mr Monaghan he will e-mail photo's out very quickly. Also in the same cemetery is John Speir & Jean Rodger.
http://www.monaghan95.freeserve.co.uk/headpics.htm

If you already have this data then I'm sorry to have bothered you.

Well thanks so much. It's such a lovely day today that we should get out of the house, we woke up to snow this morning. I'm just over a year older than you and retired, hence the time to spend on this research. Some fresh air will help me sort through the info. you have sent.

Best regards, Yvonne


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Re: Mary SPEIR b 1806
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 23 January 07 18:30 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Yvonne
I knew about the pigots entry. She took over her husbands flesher (butcher) shop for a time after he died then I think became a draper or something similar. I did not know about the headstone but have got wills etc. At some point will try to get a decent print out of it and send it to you if you want to pm me your snail mail address.
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Re: Mary SPEIR b 1806
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 01 February 07 23:21 GMT (UK) »

Hi
I've just picked up on this thread - just discovered last week I have a dose of Speirs on my husband's tree. What is the Speir website you mentioned earlier? I googled for it, but I couldn't see anything.

My Speirs are all from the tarbolton area of Ayrshire.
Thanks
revmother


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Re: Mary SPEIR b 1806
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 03 February 07 17:42 GMT (UK) »

Google.... yahoo groups speir ..... then scroll down. Look for speirheritage


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