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Lemmey
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Hi Lemmey
According to the index, the Emily H SKILTON who died in 1911 was aged 81 so, if the index if correct, I wouldn't have thought she is yours.
Oh rats. How did I miss noticing that bit. You are dead right (where's the blushing smiley). I think I'll give free BDM a miss and stick to trawling Ancestry.
Drawing board - back to  Will have a good trawl when I have time. I can imagine this is going to be interesting as I'm not sure of the year or first name. However I do know she apparently died young so that has to limit it a bit (she says optimistically)
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Croydon, Surrey - KENT, SKILTON, BESLEY, HIGGS
Surrey & Kent - GARDNER, DALLAWAY, STRUDWICK, LANE, PENFOLD (Roma/Traveller)
London - COOKE
Shropshire/Denbighshire/Montgomershire - FRANCIS, LLOYD
Staffordshire - TOOTH, DEVALL
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Lemmey
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There is a "Lenny" Harriet GARDNER baptised Carshalton Surrey 5 Feb 1887 dau of Noah and Elizabeth  This doesn't quite fit with a registration of birth for a Leamantinia Harriett GARDENER registered in the March quarter of 1888 Epsom Surrey ref. 2a 11 I wonder if these could be the same person ................ ie a mistranscription on the date from the baptism register  Possible siblings Elizabeth 28 Mar 1880, Jane 28 Dec 1884 also baptised Carshalton Casalguidi
Hi Casalguidi
Found on 1881 Census which ties in with your post above.
Noah Gardner, 26 (age is 4 yrs out according to other census info but that seems to be nothing)
Elizabeth Gardner, 25 wife
Adelaide Gardner, 2
Elizabeth, 14 months
Live at 22 Levitts Rents, The Wrythe, Carshalton, Surrey
Next door live the Dellaways.
Looks like I may have found Noah again Elizabeth looks like being the daughter of Noah and Elizabeth rather than Noah and Clara which ties in with the info you found above.
And I wonder if Lemmy therefore had the same mother - Elizabeth. Even though she lived with Noah and Clara when young.
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Croydon, Surrey - KENT, SKILTON, BESLEY, HIGGS
Surrey & Kent - GARDNER, DALLAWAY, STRUDWICK, LANE, PENFOLD (Roma/Traveller)
London - COOKE
Shropshire/Denbighshire/Montgomershire - FRANCIS, LLOYD
Staffordshire - TOOTH, DEVALL
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casalguidi
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Hi Lemmey
Yes I agree, it certainly does look like the same family. According to the baptism record (if it has been transcribed correctly), "Lemmy's" mother was Elizabeth so perhaps Noah married more than once or perhaps Clara is really Elizabeth even - no doubt something you'll sort out in time
I wouldn't be surprised if those DELLAWAYS turn out to be related somehow - likewise some of the families that were encamped with the GARDINERS in 1901 - travelling families often congregated in large extended families even if only related by marriage somehow.
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Manchester Rambler
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Here's a family to consider for 1871 - unfortunately lots of initials, rather than full names, but "N" could be Noah.
RG10/796; Folio 22 Page: 36
William St, Carshalton
Mary A Gardner - Head - Wid - 44 - Hawker - b. Deal, Kent
N Gardner - Son - 20 - Labourer - b. Som Wells, Kent (?)
Thos Gardner - Son - 18 - Sieve Maker - b. Hadlow, Kent
E Gardner - Dau - 14 - Sieve Maker - b. Essex
Wm Gardner - Son - 11 - Scholar - b. Essex
Geo Gardner - Son - 9 - Scholar - b. Croydon, Surrey
L Gardner - Dau - 7- Scholar - b. Carshalton
Jane Gardner - Dau - 5 - b. Carshalton
Ada Gardner - Dau - 5m - b. Carshalton
M Harn(?) - Visitor - 39 - Sieve Maker - b. Maugey, Suffolk
Ed Harn - Son - 7 - Scholar - b. Brentford, Middlesex
In 1881, Mary Ann and the younger children are at Little Wrythe Lane, 1 St James Rd, Carshalton, living with a PENFOLD family. (MA's birthplace now Croydon!)
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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She'd fit, wouldn't she? On the 1881 census she's Lena, which is close enough, given the unusual name!
Edited: IGI lists siblings Jane Bridget (1867) and Ada (1870) also christened at Carshalton, so a definite match, I think.
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Lemmey
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Thanks Manchester Rambler Much appreciated
and thanks again to Casalguidi
I think I've got a fair bit there now to work on 
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Croydon, Surrey - KENT, SKILTON, BESLEY, HIGGS
Surrey & Kent - GARDNER, DALLAWAY, STRUDWICK, LANE, PENFOLD (Roma/Traveller)
London - COOKE
Shropshire/Denbighshire/Montgomershire - FRANCIS, LLOYD
Staffordshire - TOOTH, DEVALL
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Lemmey
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Hi there
This is my first time on here and I think we might be related. My great grandmother was Lemantamia or Lemantina Gardner and was born in Carshalton in or about 1865. She was my grandmothers mother and signed her birthcertificate with a X. I have got no further with my research on her so any information would be much appreciated. Were they travellers or gypsies do you know
Chellin 2
PS I also had an Aunt Lementina or Lemmy as we called her
Hi Chellin
With such an unusual name and those dates we may well be. Yes my Lemmy/Leamantinia Gardner was Romany/traveller according to my research. She also had an aunt Lemintinia, sister of her father.
I have quite a bit of information on my side of the family. Thanks for posting. I am about to pm you!
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Croydon, Surrey - KENT, SKILTON, BESLEY, HIGGS
Surrey & Kent - GARDNER, DALLAWAY, STRUDWICK, LANE, PENFOLD (Roma/Traveller)
London - COOKE
Shropshire/Denbighshire/Montgomershire - FRANCIS, LLOYD
Staffordshire - TOOTH, DEVALL
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Lemmey
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Maybe we should find the appropriate forum on here to ask someone to work out the relationship between chellin and I - third cousins/fourth cousins or whatever
Basically my great grandmother's father's sister is Chellin's greatgrandmother.
Thanks RootsChat and thanks to Casalguidi and Manchester Rambler
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Croydon, Surrey - KENT, SKILTON, BESLEY, HIGGS
Surrey & Kent - GARDNER, DALLAWAY, STRUDWICK, LANE, PENFOLD (Roma/Traveller)
London - COOKE
Shropshire/Denbighshire/Montgomershire - FRANCIS, LLOYD
Staffordshire - TOOTH, DEVALL
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Manchester Rambler
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3rd cousins once removed!
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ANT: Nesbit, Potts CHS: Gosling, Hinton, Johnson, Marsland, Sorton LAN: Barlow, Jackson, James, Potts, Sorton MAY: Caulfield, Griffin SAL/STS: Goodwin, Gregory SOM: Dowding, James, Jones Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Lemmey
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Thanks Rambler
Woooo hoooooo I've inter'met' a 3rd cousin once removed.
This is my first 'distant-relation-through-family-history' find 
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Croydon, Surrey - KENT, SKILTON, BESLEY, HIGGS
Surrey & Kent - GARDNER, DALLAWAY, STRUDWICK, LANE, PENFOLD (Roma/Traveller)
London - COOKE
Shropshire/Denbighshire/Montgomershire - FRANCIS, LLOYD
Staffordshire - TOOTH, DEVALL
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