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chellin2
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Hi Missjano
Well that is very very interesting, I didnt know about the inter marriage thing, so we are related too, How did you get this information???
I know that Josiah Smith 1862 had parents called Josiah Smith and Alice Lane born 1836 but I have got no further back than that, have you??? I have their children as Alice, Fred, Josiah, William, John Phoebe and Nelson.
So that makes my great grandparents, your husbands great uncle and aunt so my Nan was your hubands Nans cousin is that right, Anyway welcome to my family.
Please keep in touch, by the way what is your surname now??
Chellin2
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Lyon
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Dixon
Lamner
Crawt
Gardner
Horton
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Botteriel
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Lemmey
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Little Wrythe Lane, 1 St James Rd, Carshalton
Lematamia Gardner sister, Elizabeth Gardner, 1857, married Henry Penfold in 1872.
Henry & Elizabeth Penfold (nee Gardner) are my husbands 2nd Great Grandfather and Mother.
Hi from me too missjano
Elizabeth Penfold nee Gardner was the sister of my Great great Grandad Noah Gardner. I have her as 1855/1857 (dependant on source) also listed as Betsey and Lizzie on census depending on which one. I assume you know she was the daughter of Mary Ann (1827/1831) and John Gardner (dob unknown to me) and Henry & Elizabeth's children were Henry/Harry, Mary Ann, Jane, Ada, Joe/Joey, Nelly & Priscilla as I found a lot of that care of the 1881 census (Little Wrythe Lane where the Penfolds lived with Mary Ann Gardner and her other children). At that time Noah Gardner (my G G grandfather) lived at Levitts Rents, The Wrythe (so assume close by).
Chellin and I have got together to exchange information via email. Please pm either of us if you are interested in joining.
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Croydon, Surrey - KENT, SKILTON, BESLEY, HIGGS
Surrey & Kent - GARDNER, DALLAWAY, STRUDWICK, LANE, PENFOLD (Roma/Traveller)
London - COOKE
Shropshire/Denbighshire/Montgomershire - FRANCIS, LLOYD
Staffordshire - TOOTH, DEVALL
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sarah_jane
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This maybe no use but i have Gardiner's/Gardner/Gardener in mitcham, I have a Noah gardiner was born in 1895 in a tent on mitcham common, the family were all from mitcham and were all romany's we were also related to the smith's. I know this all a long shot but i wondered if there were any connection?
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Lemmey
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This maybe no use but i have Gardiner's/Gardner/Gardener in mitcham, I have a Noah gardiner was born in 1895 in a tent on mitcham common, the family were all from mitcham and were all romany's we were also related to the smith's. I know this all a long shot but i wondered if there were any connection?
Hello Sarah 
Not a long shot at all - As Missjano has just said she, Chellin and I have all found, thanks to Rootschat (  thanks Rootschat) we are all distantly related through Mary Ann Gardner (c. 1827).
We exchange information via email and, if the others agree, you are more than welcome to join. We've gathered quite a bit about the Gardners/Smiths/Penfolds/Lanes of Surrey/Kent (oh and I've just started on the Dallaways/Dellaways/Dilloways).
If you are interested pm me and I'll give you my email address.
Lemmey
(who borrowed her name from her g. grandmother Lemintinia Gardner  )
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Croydon, Surrey - KENT, SKILTON, BESLEY, HIGGS
Surrey & Kent - GARDNER, DALLAWAY, STRUDWICK, LANE, PENFOLD (Roma/Traveller)
London - COOKE
Shropshire/Denbighshire/Montgomershire - FRANCIS, LLOYD
Staffordshire - TOOTH, DEVALL
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Lemmey
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The date of your Noah Gardner does not fit in with mine but there were a few Noahs so maybe its another one.
Well assuming he's a direct relative of Mary Ann (c1827) and his surname is Gardner I am guessing one of her son's children or son's son's children.
Do you know the father's name Sarah?
The possibles I have so far would be (all sons of Mary Ann). Exluding Noah my g.g.grandfather as he didn't have a son called Noah as far as I know and his sons are too young.
Thomas Gardner 1853 -
I have him in 1851 as possibly married to Ellen with one adopted child and a possible older daughter, Ada (although I have a suspicion that may be his neice staying round even though the ages are out as she said she lived there and I can't find her anywhere else). Unlikely unless he was an older dad though - he was 40 in 1891.
Verdict - Unlikely. Also unlikely father is son of Thomas.
William Gardner 1860. I have nothing on William after the age of 11 so he or his sons are a possible.
George Gardner 1862/5. Married to Louisa. Had a son George William 1888. I have nothing on him after 1891 so he would probably have had more children.
Or then again it could be someone else
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Croydon, Surrey - KENT, SKILTON, BESLEY, HIGGS
Surrey & Kent - GARDNER, DALLAWAY, STRUDWICK, LANE, PENFOLD (Roma/Traveller)
London - COOKE
Shropshire/Denbighshire/Montgomershire - FRANCIS, LLOYD
Staffordshire - TOOTH, DEVALL
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missjano
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The date of your Noah Gardner does not fit in with mine but there were a few Noahs so maybe its another one. Well assuming he's a direct relative of Mary Ann (c1827) and his surname is Gardner I am guessing one of her son's children or son's son's children. Do you know the father's name Sarah? The possibles I have so far would be (all sons of Mary Ann). Exluding Noah my g.g.grandfather as he didn't have a son called Noah as far as I know and his sons are too young. Thomas Gardner 1853 - I have him in 1851 as possibly married to Ellen with one adopted child and a possible older daughter, Ada (although I have a suspicion that may be his neice staying round even though the ages are out as she said she lived there and I can't find her anywhere else). Unlikely unless he was an older dad though - he was 40 in 1891. Verdict - Unlikely. Also unlikely father is son of Thomas. William Gardner 1860. I have nothing on William after the age of 11 so he or his sons are a possible. George Gardner 1862/5. Married to Louisa. Had a son George William 1888. I have nothing on him after 1891 so he would probably have had more children. Or then again it could be someone else
I think George Gardner married to Louise was Noah Dad. That's was where I found the connection to everyone else, Smith, Gardners etc.
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Smith Kent/Surrey. Penfold Surrey. Gardner Surrey. Lane Berkshire/Surrey.
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Lemmey
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Yup I've found him I think. In fact I already had him in my tree 
1901 census
Gypsies Tents, Chelsham, Surrey
George Gardner 37 (1864)
Louisa Gardner 36 (1865)
Katherine L Gardner 7 (1892)
Noah Gardner 6 (1895)
Florence Gardner 3 (1898)
Class: RG13; Piece: 630; Folio: 53; Page: 16.
Assuming that is who Sarah was referring to he's my g. grandma, Lemintina's cousin. (The son of her father's brother)
edited to add message to Sarah Jane as I forgot in my excitement of discovering another potential relative 
Sarah - do pm me if its this Noah. We, between us, have gathered lots of information on this family
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Croydon, Surrey - KENT, SKILTON, BESLEY, HIGGS
Surrey & Kent - GARDNER, DALLAWAY, STRUDWICK, LANE, PENFOLD (Roma/Traveller)
London - COOKE
Shropshire/Denbighshire/Montgomershire - FRANCIS, LLOYD
Staffordshire - TOOTH, DEVALL
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missjano
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1901 census
Name: Noah Gardner
Birth: abt 1895 - Croydon, Surrey, England
Residence: 1901 - Chelsham, Chelsham, Surrey, England
Noah Parents were George and Louisa Gardner.
1891 Census
Name: George Gardner
Spouse: Louisa
Birth: abt 1865 - Croydon, Surrey, England
Residence: 1891 - Mitcham, Mitcham, Surrey, England
This is the census with all us lot on as well.
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Smith Kent/Surrey. Penfold Surrey. Gardner Surrey. Lane Berkshire/Surrey.
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missjano
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Yup I've found him I think. In fact I already had him in my tree 1901 census Gypsies Tents, Chelsham, Surrey George Gardner 37 (1864) Louisa Gardner 36 (1865) Katherine L Gardner 7 (1892) Noah Gardner 6 (1895) Florence Gardner 3 (1898) Class: RG13; Piece: 630; Folio: 53; Page: 16. Assuming that is who Sarah was referring to he's my g. grandma, Lemintina's cousin. (The son of her father's brother) edited to add message to Sarah Jane as I forgot in my excitement of discovering another potential relative Sarah - do pm me if its this Noah. We, between us, have gathered lots of information on this family
That's right, George Gardener is on the 1881 census with Lemintina, and with my great grand mother Mary Anne Penfold.
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Smith Kent/Surrey. Penfold Surrey. Gardner Surrey. Lane Berkshire/Surrey.
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Lemmey
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That's right, George Gardener is on the 1881 census with Lemintina, and with my great grand mother Mary Anne Penfold.
Mary Ann Penfold being the daughter of Henry Penfold and Elizabeth Gardner (who was the sister of George and Noah my g.g. grandfather)
well at least that bits clear and simple for a change Providing, of course, we have the right one
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Croydon, Surrey - KENT, SKILTON, BESLEY, HIGGS
Surrey & Kent - GARDNER, DALLAWAY, STRUDWICK, LANE, PENFOLD (Roma/Traveller)
London - COOKE
Shropshire/Denbighshire/Montgomershire - FRANCIS, LLOYD
Staffordshire - TOOTH, DEVALL
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missjano
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That's right, George Gardener is on the 1881 census with Lemintina, and with my great grand mother Mary Anne Penfold.
Mary Ann Penfold being the daughter of Henry Penfold and Elizabeth Gardner (who was the sister of George and Noah my g.g. grandfather) well at least that bits clear and simple for a change Providing, of course, we have the right one
Wonder why they all had the same names in those days. The son had fathers, daughters had mothers, sisters had aunts etc etc etc
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Smith Kent/Surrey. Penfold Surrey. Gardner Surrey. Lane Berkshire/Surrey.
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Jayce15
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Hi
If your interested in Dullaway/Dellaway etc, check out my web site. I have been reaserching my name (Dullaway) for 10 years now.
http://www.dullaway.co.uk
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