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Allen family of Brampton
« on: Monday 21 August 06 22:52 BST (UK) »

Hi, I'm looking for any info on christening & parents & siblings of Robert Allen, born around 1815 at Brampton, Hunts.
I have him on all census from 1841, he married Sarah Taylor in Middlesex in 1834 & moved back to Hemingford Abbotts for 1851.

Thanks in advance for looking

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Re: Robert Allen of Brampton
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 September 06 17:04 BST (UK) »

Hi John

Connected at last, but still no telephone

Brampton is one of those parishes where the only place you can get at the parish register is Huntingdon records office. They've not been filmed by the LDS.

I believe they have been indexed at Huntingdon though - they did a look up for me a year ago at a very reasonable price, although you're rather closer to Huntingdon than I am

All the best

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Re: Robert Allen of Brampton
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 03 October 06 17:34 BST (UK) »

Just had a very speedy response (next day) from Hunts RO to my email request for a marriage in Brampton. They have the transcribed and original registers there, and their charges are very reasonable.   

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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 03 October 06 20:20 BST (UK) »

thanks for that - seems like I need to plan for a visit - I have other Hunts ancestors to look up as well - better check opening times

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Re: Robert Allen of Brampton
« Reply #4 on: Friday 08 December 06 21:39 GMT (UK) »

After visit to Hunts record office - yes Brampton BMD fully transcribed ...

Possible my Robert Allen chr 26 July 1813, son of John & Susannah Allen , Mason.
A number of other children christened to John & Susannah between 1807 & 1825.

Most likely marriage John Allen of Brampton to Susannah Brasgurdel of Huntingdon St John at Huntingdon on Feb 18 1806.

The 1851 census has a Susannah Allen, b 1782 Easton, Hunts, widow living in Brampton with children John 1821 & Emma 1815 

Cannot find the family on 1841 - can anybody out there find them ?
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Re: Robert Allen of Brampton
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 12 December 06 20:08 GMT (UK) »

Hi John
I see from the 1851 census that John b 1821 was a bricklayer.  In 1841 there is this rather odd household in Brampton
John Allen 20 Bricklayer
Eunice 15
Bridget Peters 10 (very difficult to read the age)
All born in county.

Not having any luck with Susanna or Emma so far.

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 15 December 06 08:44 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Barbara, That made me do some more research.

This most likely is son John, as I have a baptism of a Unice on 26 July 1824 also a child of John & Susannah Allen, Bricklayer.

The Bridget Peters b 1831 I have found on 1851 being niece of James Lucas & Bridget (ne Allen) age 59, plus nephew George Allen age 30.  On 1841 James & Bridget Lucas are in Brampton together with George Allen & James Peters & Amos Peters.

On 1851 this Amos Peters is with Susannah Allen being her nephew. 

The Bridget Allen (wife of James Lucas) has a christening on 22 July 1792 at Brampton, daughter of Matthew & Bridget Allen, labourer

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 15 December 06 13:43 GMT (UK) »

I have also a John Allen chr Nov 4 1781 to parents Matthew & Bridget Allen, labourer.  With the Bridget / Amos Peters niece / nephew appearing in common households suggests John Allen (who married Susannah) & Bridget Allen (who married James Lucas) may well be brother & sister.
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Re: Robert Allen of Brampton
« Reply #8 on: Friday 15 December 06 15:59 GMT (UK) »

Hi, John

I don't suppose you have among your Allens a Thomas Quincey Allen born  c1819, married in 1840 to Elizabeth Fairey/Fairy/Farey. He died aged 21 in 1842 and was buried 19.04.1842 in Conington.  Both marriage and death were registered under Huntingdon.

Just a thought.
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« Reply #9 on: Friday 15 December 06 22:58 GMT (UK) »

Hello Gillg,  You suppose right - if he turns up I'll let you know

Regards John
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Re: Robert Allen of Brampton
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 16 December 06 09:14 GMT (UK) »

Thanks, John.

I'm also interested in your Susannah Brasgurdel, not just because of her wonderful surname, but because you have her as born in Easton, and it's not a surname I've come across in Easton researches for my Fairey family there. 

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« Reply #11 on: Saturday 16 December 06 17:45 GMT (UK) »

Hi there,

As John discovered I am also descended from Robert ALLEN's parents, John and Susannah ALLEN via their youngest daughter, Eunice.

Other family members are also researching this ALLEN line and have made the following comments to your posts. [All information is sourced from Brampton Parish Registers unless otherwise stated].

"1.  Robert Allen, son of John and Susannah (Brasgurdel/Bracegirdle), bapt 26 July, 1813 at Brampton.

Siblings, all bapt in Brampton were:

William, bapt 27 July, 1807, married Ann Heffer/Hepher in Needingworth, 1829;

Robert, bapt 25 Dec 1808 [prob. buried 20 Aug, 1811]

Matthew, bapt 13 Jan, 1811, married (i) ?   (ii) Alice Smith, 8 Aug 1839, St.
Mary's, Haggerston, Middx;

Rhoda, bapt Herodias 24 July 1815, married George Ashbridge, 11 Oct 1837 at Alconbury;

Thomas, bapt 11 May 1817, married Mary Ann(e) Carter, 1846;

John, bapt 24  July 1820, married Charlotte Allen (sic), 12 Jan 1853;

Eunice, Bapt 26 July, 1824, married George Allen (the son of John's brother, William), 16 May, 1853.

2.  1841 Census: John ALLEN died on 8 Dec, 1840 so was not alive.  His widow Susannah was with their son Matthew ALLEN , his wife and daughter, both Alice, and his brother Thomas, in Worship St. Shoreditch on the census [HO 107/709/9 folio 14 p20].

3.  1851 Census: John and Eunice ALLEN were brother and sister (both married others in 1853). Bridget Peters was their cousin, daughter of their aunt Eunice (nee Allen) and James Peters.  Eunice died in 1836 and the children were with various other family members.

I think 'Emma' is an enumerator's transcription error for Eunice - this is the only place I have seen the name "Emma ALLEN" and I cannot find Eunice anywhere else on this census.

4.  Susannah Brasgurdel/Brasgirdle/Bracegirdle was possibly the daughter of William Bracegirdle and Elizabeth Hainsworth, who were married at Easton in 1774."

We hope this will be helpful!

Cheers

Wendy
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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 17 December 06 22:44 GMT (UK) »

Thanks Wendy - very helpful

Did Robert's father John Allen who died Dec 1840 do so in Huntindonshire or Middlesex. As his mother & 2 brothers are there in 1841, it explains why Robert married local girl Sarah Taylor of Shoreditch in 1834.

Also noticed Bridget Peters married George Warren in Mar 1853 on same vol/page as John Allen & Charlotte Allen.

Now going back a generation using info from Brampton PR, you may know this - if so could you please confirm.

Matthew Allen of Alconbury, married Bridget Woodley of Buckden, on Dec 12 1780,  they had ... christenings at Brampton

John Allen          4 Nov 1781
Mathew Allen   25 July 1785
Bridget Allen    22 July 1792
William Allen    22 June 1795 -- buried 20 July 1795
Eunice Allen     24 July 1796  -- buried 27 Jan 1797
William Allen    25 June 1798
Eunice Allen    15 June 1800
Rhoda Allen     25 Dec 1803  -- buried 14 May 1804   

note mother Bridget Allen buried 25 Dec 1803 age 47 (so born abt 1756)

.... & father Matthew Allen buried 4 March 1833 age 73 (so born abt 1760)

A Matthew Allen, widower married Ann Bird widow on 14 Feb 1804

Most times Matthew is described as a labourer, but on the burials of wife Bridget & final daughter Rhoda he is a woodman.


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Re: Robert Allen of Brampton
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 03 March 07 22:58 GMT (UK) »

Hello John, i too am researching that same family ,robert is my  4x grandfather someone was kind enough to send me the link to this post as this is where i have got to in my research, so where do you fit in i am so curious.  thank you  carrij
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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 03 March 07 23:26 GMT (UK) »

Hello carrij, & welcome to RootsChat  Smiley

I just had to go & look at my tree ... here is the simple/direct line. 

Robert Allen b 1813 Brampton married Sarah Taylor on 24/8/1834 at Shoreditch.
They had daughter Alice Allen, b 1855 Hemingford Abbots, Hunts.
Alice married Thomas Bishop, b 1857 Hemingford Grey, on 18/07/1882 at Hem Abbots
They had daughter Mabel Allen Bishop b 1887 Bedford
She went on to be 2nd wife to my grandfather Frederick Partridge, married on 17/06/1918
My father Kenneth was born 1920 in Bedford & I was born in 1947.

I have details of other children to each of these marriages if you are interested.

Regards John


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