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Lesanne
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Kilburn or Holburn? Reg dist. 1869/70.
« on: Tuesday 29 August 06 21:47 UTC (UK) »

 Smiley Could anyone find Kilburn as a reg dist, for the birth of Robert NORRIS. 1869  please.

     Every census '71 '81 '91 '01 give Kilburn as b/p.

        I would dearly love to send of for his birth cert, but everything about Gt Grandad is a mystery. Even his death is unknown.

Many thanks,   Lesanne.     Smiley
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Berks Bucks Oxon= Norris Coxhead Turner Cox Weston Baston Simpson
Kent= Nicholls Mepstead Watts   Mile End=Craze Wood Bennett
Cork=Howe   NZ=Coxhead   Canada=Fenn Cox Turner
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Re: Kilburn or Holburn? Reg dist. 1869/70.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 29 August 06 22:19 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lesanne,

I've found a Robert Norris registered in June qtr 1870 in Holborn 1b, 596.

Could this be him?


Nanny Jan
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Re: Kilburn or Holburn? Reg dist. 1869/70.
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 29 August 06 22:28 UTC (UK) »

 Smiley Thanks Jan. I really dont know.
   I will send for that one. Unless there is a Kilburn reg.

   He was 2yrs on 1871 census in Neithrop, Banbury. all others give the same info.
            Thanks again.
                                               Lesanne.

PS. Bournemouth-S'hampton...  to Shoreham. But it looks quite a bit expensive. L.
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Berks Bucks Oxon= Norris Coxhead Turner Cox Weston Baston Simpson
Kent= Nicholls Mepstead Watts   Mile End=Craze Wood Bennett
Cork=Howe   NZ=Coxhead   Canada=Fenn Cox Turner
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Re: Kilburn or Holburn? Reg dist. 1869/70.
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 29 August 06 22:31 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lesanne,

Have not yet spotted a Kilburn registration district; probably part of a bigger area.


Nanny Jan
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Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto)
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Re: Kilburn or Holburn? Reg dist. 1869/70.
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 29 August 06 22:34 UTC (UK) »

 Cheesy Rightio, will let you know.
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Kent= Nicholls Mepstead Watts   Mile End=Craze Wood Bennett
Cork=Howe   NZ=Coxhead   Canada=Fenn Cox Turner
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Re: Kilburn or Holburn? Reg dist. 1869/70.
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 30 August 06 17:07 UTC (UK) »

I think Kilburn came under the Kensington or Paddington districts, year depending, unless someone knows otherwise.

And 1867 1868 and poss 1869 have not been fully transcribed on Freebmd. You could try the untranscribed images at Ancestry.co.uk

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Re: Kilburn or Holburn? Reg dist. 1869/70.
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 30 August 06 17:15 UTC (UK) »

   Cheesy  Ah.. that might be it..  Do you have a link to that bit?

                                 Thanks Dawn
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Berks Bucks Oxon= Norris Coxhead Turner Cox Weston Baston Simpson
Kent= Nicholls Mepstead Watts   Mile End=Craze Wood Bennett
Cork=Howe   NZ=Coxhead   Canada=Fenn Cox Turner
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Re: Kilburn or Holburn? Reg dist. 1869/70.
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 30 August 06 17:16 UTC (UK) »

Typical. How often does 1837 go off line....
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Kent= Nicholls Mepstead Watts   Mile End=Craze Wood Bennett
Cork=Howe   NZ=Coxhead   Canada=Fenn Cox Turner
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Re: Kilburn or Holburn? Reg dist. 1869/70.
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 30 August 06 17:41 UTC (UK) »

www.ancestry.co.uk

follow the link to 'England & Wales BMD Index'

Had a look under all 4 quarters 1868, 1869 and 1870, nothing there for Robert Norris in an area that could be Kilburn, there was an entry for Hackney JFM 1870 as well as the Holborn one.

Would suggest his birth wasn't registered (wasn't compulsory until later I think 1875??) or entered as Robert Norris or he wasn't born in Kilburn.

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Re: Kilburn or Holburn? Reg dist. 1869/70.
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 30 August 06 18:10 UTC (UK) »

 If only to delete the Holborn from keep turning up, I'll get that one.
   Thank you for your time in the lookup.
   Thanks both.     Lesanne   Smiley
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Berks Bucks Oxon= Norris Coxhead Turner Cox Weston Baston Simpson
Kent= Nicholls Mepstead Watts   Mile End=Craze Wood Bennett
Cork=Howe   NZ=Coxhead   Canada=Fenn Cox Turner
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Re: Kilburn or Holburn? Reg dist. 1869/70.
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 24 September 06 14:17 UTC (UK) »

 Roll Eyes Back came b.cert.  Huh    Is this the right one  Huh
Holborn 1870 Robert. at 11 Verulam Street, mother - Mary Ann Norris. no former name  Huh
no Father  Huh or occupation  Huh

Father on marriage cert, Andrew Norris and the census years.
   Argh...  Grin  Cool but, keep cool.
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Berks Bucks Oxon= Norris Coxhead Turner Cox Weston Baston Simpson
Kent= Nicholls Mepstead Watts   Mile End=Craze Wood Bennett
Cork=Howe   NZ=Coxhead   Canada=Fenn Cox Turner
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Re: Kilburn or Holburn? Reg dist. 1869/70.
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 24 September 06 16:35 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lesanne

So, you've got the birth cert.......

Verulam Street still exists, heres a link to multimap, it's the street in the red circle without a name opposite Grays Inn

http://tinyurl.co.uk/dq70

I can send you a scan from the 1937 Authentic Map Directory of London and the Suburbs if you want which also shows the street.

But still, Kilburn and Holburn are 2 distinct areas of London, his parents must have got it wrong, (or this isn't your gt grandad)

Maybe Andrew and Mary Ann didn't marry and everyone assumed they were husband and wife. The freebmd marriage indeces from 1855 to 1885 are mostly complete and nothing shows up.

As your Gt Grandad's history is a mystery, there might be something about his parents he didn't want others to know.

(just a wild suggestion, was Andrew already married, not able to divorce and couldn't marry Mary Ann so they just lived together as a couple?)

Like many of us, this could be your brickwall.

Dawn



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Re: Kilburn or Holburn? Reg dist. 1869/70.
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 24 September 06 17:08 UTC (UK) »

Hi Dawn,
Yep, got the marriage cert of Andrew and MaryAnn . ( got this in 1965  Shocked )  Robert and Katharines too.
The various children of Andrew and Mary Ann, show up in census as they travelled for work. ( Mostly Oxford, Berks, London Middx.)

Had a look on the 1901 and there is another Robert Norris, actually a couple of them giving the right age. Mine is definately the one in Hammersmith on 1901.  Cool
Suppose I need to find ALL of them, if just to be deleted..
                                              Undecided
I've also tried the death end of his life... that's just as much a puzzle as the start.
I have just received this death cert...
March 1919 aged 49, sounds good so far, then it shoots off to Stoke Poges, as a carpenter and only W.H.Daniels as informant.
Robert worked with horses, his father and brother(s) on the railway, and who the heck is W.H.  Huh

                      Thanks for your time Dawn,  Wink    Lesanne
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Berks Bucks Oxon= Norris Coxhead Turner Cox Weston Baston Simpson
Kent= Nicholls Mepstead Watts   Mile End=Craze Wood Bennett
Cork=Howe   NZ=Coxhead   Canada=Fenn Cox Turner
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Re: Kilburn or Holburn? Reg dist. 1869/70.
« Reply #13 on: Monday 25 September 06 19:27 UTC (UK) »

Although this death cert seems not to be the one; does anyone know about
North Lodge, Stoke Park Farm, Stoke Poges, Buckinghamshire.
It's about 10 miles away from Maidenhead, and not totally out of the picture....

Thanks,                         
Lesanne.
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Kent= Nicholls Mepstead Watts   Mile End=Craze Wood Bennett
Cork=Howe   NZ=Coxhead   Canada=Fenn Cox Turner
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Re: Kilburn or Holburn? Reg dist. 1869/70.
« Reply #14 on: Monday 25 September 06 20:39 UTC (UK) »

Hi Lesanne,

Just looking in to the proper reg dist for Kilburn.

According to GENUKI, Kilburn is "a hamlet and suburban district in the parishes of Hampstead and Willesden, Holborn division of the hundred of Ossulstone, county Middlesex, 2˝ miles from Hyde Park corner, and 4 N.W. of St. Paul's, London. " (from 1868 Gazeteer).  Is this what he means when he says Kilburn as his birthplace? 

If so, it is difficult to figure out which reg district it would be.  At the time of his birth, the parish of Hampstead was in Hampstead District, and the parish of Willesden was in Hendon District. 

Hope that helps...

MJP
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