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SMALLMANS from Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
« on: Friday 01 September 06 17:31 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I'm looking for information on John Smallman who married Mary Wood 19.10.1801 Upton Bishop, Herefordshire. John was a shoemaker.
Their children:
Amelia 1802
Maria 1805 died as infant
Lydia 1809
John 1809
James 1813
William 1814
Mary 1817 died as infant
Amos 1818
Eliza 1821

William 1814 is my 3x great grandfather. He married Elizabeth (no other name) and in 1881 they were in Crowhill, Upton Bishop. he too was a shoemaker.

Does anyone have access to the 1841 or 1851 census for upton Bishop that can look up any of these people for me? (or later censuses if you have them!)

Any help greatfully received.
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Re: Smallman's from Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
« Reply #1 on: Friday 01 September 06 17:34 BST (UK) »
John is there in 1841 .. the females will have married by then I guess ... didnt look for possible mistrans of the others ...

HO107/421/21
Registration district is Ross 
Sub-registration district - Sollershope 
Folio: 24 
Page: 4

'CrowHill', Upton Bishops ...

All born in County

John Smallman 30 Shoemaker --> this will be the 1809 chap, as 1841 rounds down to 5 year multiple ..
Elizabeth Smallman 25
James Smallman 9
Mary Smallman 7
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Smallman's from Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
« Reply #2 on: Friday 01 September 06 17:49 BST (UK) »
oh wait - here's William ... AND Parents ...

HO107/421/21
Registration district is Ross 
Sub-registration district - Sollershope 
Folio: 4 
Page: 3

'Crow Hill'

NBIC = Not Born in County

John Smalman 70 NBIC Shoe Maker
Mary Smalman 60 NBIC
William Smalman 25 Shoe Maker
Elizabeth Smalman 25 NBIC

William Smalman 6
Eliza Smalman 4 NBIC
John Smalman 2 NBIC
Mary Ann Smalman 4 months
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Smallman's from Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
« Reply #3 on: Friday 01 September 06 17:51 BST (UK) »
James and Amos arent in Herefordshire 1841 ...
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Smallman's from Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
« Reply #4 on: Friday 01 September 06 17:59 BST (UK) »
John and Mary alive and kicking in 1851 ..

HO107/1976 Folio 82 Page 9 - Upton Bishop

 
John Smallman 83  Head ShoeMaker Kempley, Glos
Mary Smallman 77  Wife OxenHall Glos
William Tyler 79  Lodger
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Smallman's from Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
« Reply #5 on: Friday 01 September 06 18:05 BST (UK) »
William and Charlotte (?) family ... is this the same chap ?

HO107/1976 Folio 82 Page 8 - Upton Bishop


William Smallman 38  Head Cordwainer Upton B
Charlotte Smallman 39  Mitchel Deane
Eliza Smallman 14  Yewent?
John Smallman 12 East Deane
Margeanna Smallman 11   Upton B
Lydia Smallman 7  do
James Smallman 5  do
Catherine Smallman 1  do
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: Smallman's from Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
« Reply #6 on: Friday 01 September 06 18:10 BST (UK) »
John Jnr and Family in 1851 ...

HO107/1976 Folio 82 Page 9 - Upton Bishop

Crowhill - 2 doors from John Snr

John Smallman 41  head Shoe Maker Upton B
Elizabeth Smallman 39  Wife Dressmaker Ross, Hereford
James Smallman 19  son Shoe Maker do
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: SMALLMANS from Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
« Reply #7 on: Friday 01 September 06 18:14 BST (UK) »
wonder who this is ? In Ross Workhouse sadly .... born 1813ish, so probably realted


Elizabeth Smallman 38 Unmarried Pauper Born Upton Bishop
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: SMALLMANS from Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
« Reply #8 on: Friday 01 September 06 19:41 BST (UK) »
ScRoppers,
Thank you very much for the information you sent. And so fast too!. I can stop searching Herefordshire for a while as I search for John and Mary Smallman in Glos. I'm sure I'll get back to Herefordshire as they all live near the border and keep hopping backwards and forwards!

Can I trouble you to wave your wand over another Smallman problem when you get the time?
John Smallman and Mary Woods daughter Amelia Smallman born c1802 Upton Bishop, married a John Gillett born c 1797 Linton, Herefords Died 2.5.1860. Children Mary Gillett 1831
Samuel Gillett 1834
James Gillett 1840
Thomas Gillett 1842
Amos Gillett 1842. All born Linton.

I have been told that John Gillett married before Amelia to a Milbrow Smallman (nothing like keeping it in the family!) We can find no trace of her birth or death. But she and John had the following children:
John Gillett 1824 linton
William Gillett 1826 linton
Mary Gillett 1828 Linton
Eliza Gillett 1830

Can you find any reference to a Milbrow Smallman ar all. As she must have died about 1830 it's probably unlikely...just wondered if there were any other Milbrows about?

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Re: SMALLMANS from Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
« Reply #9 on: Friday 01 September 06 19:52 BST (UK) »
The oldest child with John and Amelica (sic) Gillet in Linton 1841 is William born 1827 ...

Loads of Milbrows in Herefordshire, many parishes and surnames ...
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PLEDGER – 1678, Gt BardField, Essex
EVERETT - 1830, Scoles, Norfolk & Epping, SX
OSGATHORPE - 1825, North Kensington
LILLEY – 1711, Ickleton, Cambs
DAVISON – 1700-1710, Horncastle & Coningsby, Lincs
BOWER – 1690-1700, Killinworth, Lincs
CHASE – 1735, Kings Lynn, Norfolk
LAIRD – 1777, Portsmouth, Hants & Kings Lynn, Norfolk
GOWENLOCK – 1850, Carlisle
KEW – 1814, Carlisle
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Re: SMALLMANS from Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
« Reply #10 on: Friday 01 September 06 20:08 BST (UK) »
And there was me thinking Milbrow would be an unusual name! Thanks very much for your help....it's back to the drawing board with Milbrow!
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Re: SMALLMANS from Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
« Reply #11 on: Monday 11 September 06 14:55 BST (UK) »
dont know if this helps at all?
milbrow smallman married john gillat 10th aug 1823 upton bishop.the only burial for any smallman i see on the nbi is this one-
james smallman aged 17yrs buried 19th aug 1831
hope this helps?
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Re: SMALLMANS from Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
« Reply #12 on: Monday 11 September 06 15:20 BST (UK) »
this might answer one of your questions?
living in llangoven monmouthshire in 1851-
amos smallman 35yrs shoemaker born uptonbishop herefordshire
esther 37yrs wife born newent
frederick 5yrs son
charles 2yrs son
phillip adams 66yrs lodger
SOURCE INFO-H0107-2445
FOLIO-134
PAGE-5

living in pen y clawwd monmouthshire in 1861-
amos smallman 42yrs shoemaker
esther 46yrs wife
charles 12yrs son
charlotte maria 9yrs daughter
susan serina 7yrs daughter
james 2yrs son
SOURCE INFO-RG9-3989
FOLIO-64
PAGE-8

still in pen y clewwd in 1871-
amos smallman 52yrs soemaker
esther 56yrs wife formally launderess
frederick 26yrs son
susan 18yrs daughter
james 13yrs son
SOURCE INFO-RG10-5305
FOLIO-61
PAGE-7

living in dangestrow monmouthshire in 1881-
amos smallman 62yrs shoemaker and shopkeeper born uptonbishop herefordshire
caroline 52yrs wife born monomouthshire
SOURCE INFO-RG11-5227
FOLIO-22
PAGE-9

there is amarriage registered in dec qtr 1875 for amos smallman and caroline halford monmouth district
living in usk monmouthshire in 1891-
amos smallman 72yrs gardener born uptonbishop monmouthshire in household of hannah pritchard.
SOURCE INFO-RG12-4366
FOLIO-72
PAGE-2

here he is in 1901-
living in abergavenny monmouthshire-
john.h hadley 36yrs housepainter born devon
susan 40yrs wife dressmaker
caroline.e 16yrs daughter dressmaker
amos smallman 82yrs father in law born uptonbishop herefordshire
SOURCE INFO-RG13-4929
FOLIO-120
PAGE-16

there is a death registered for amos smallman aged 83yrs in the  sept qtr of 1902 abergarvenny

hope this helps?
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Re: SMALLMANS from Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
« Reply #13 on: Monday 11 September 06 15:38 BST (UK) »
could this be a child of john gillat and amelia?
james gillett aged 14months buried 22nd aug 1833 linton st marys
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Re: SMALLMANS from Upton Bishop, Herefordshire
« Reply #14 on: Monday 11 September 06 15:42 BST (UK) »
eliza gillet bapt 19th sept 1830 ullingswick parents john gillet and milbro
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