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Topic: 1841 and 51 census look up please (Read 156 times)
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adicol
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Hi All,
Can anyone find a James Harrold on the above censuses.
Born c 1806, wife Sarah.
Son William was born c 1842.
All born in Dursley, Gloucestershire.
Many Thanks
Colleen
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GLA; Jones, Allen, Holland, Nicholas,George,Lewis
ESS; Davey
W.Yorks; Martin, Hodgson, Tyler,Harrold
LAN; Dodd, Constable, Brinkley
Guernsey; Le Riche
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Shropshire Lass
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Are you certain of James' birthdate? In the 1851 there's a James and Sarah with a William of the right age (and four other children) but he was born in 1790.
Monica
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDALBY - Suffolk and, after 1860, Birmingham. EBENEZER - Cardiganshire & Glamorgan. GARVEY and GRAHAM - Mayo. HUBBARD - Birmingham. MAUND and LEWIS - Shropshire and Birmingham. MORGAN(S) - Cardiganshire. SLADE - Somerset and Worcester. |
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Shropshire Lass
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And in the 1841 there is a James and Sarah with a five year old Thomas, but this James was born in 1816!
Monica
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDALBY - Suffolk and, after 1860, Birmingham. EBENEZER - Cardiganshire & Glamorgan. GARVEY and GRAHAM - Mayo. HUBBARD - Birmingham. MAUND and LEWIS - Shropshire and Birmingham. MORGAN(S) - Cardiganshire. SLADE - Somerset and Worcester. |
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adicol
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I think this is he right one, and he has just given a false age, or his age was mistranscribed, because in the 1861 there are a few more kids.
The daughter Lavinia was born c1848.
Does Lavinia show on the 1851...interestingly, lLivina went onto marry a Sydney Elliots in 1869, two years after having her son George, who is labelled as SON ILLEGITIMATE in the 1881 census.
Kind Regards,
Colleen
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DUR; Stephenson, Wray, Collier, Lowther,Rothery
GLA; Jones, Allen, Holland, Nicholas,George,Lewis
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W.Yorks; Martin, Hodgson, Tyler,Harrold
LAN; Dodd, Constable, Brinkley
Guernsey; Le Riche
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Shropshire Lass
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I think the James from the 1851 is yours - the age could be 61 or 41, but bearing in mind the youngest child is only 9 months old, I'd go for the 41.
1851 - HO107/1958, folio 401, p 17.
Boulton Lane, Dursley, Gloucestershire.
James Harrold, Head, M, 41, Labourer, b. Dursley.
Sarah Harrold, Wife, M, 37, b. Dursley.
Thomas Harrold, Son, 15, Labourer, b. Dursley.
George Harrold, Son, 11, Labourer, b. Dursley.
William Harrold, Son, 8, Labourer, b. Dursley.
Mary Ann Harrold, Daughter, 6 or 4?, b. Dursley.
Sarah Harrold, Daughter, 9mths, Dursley.
I'll have another look at the 1841.
Monica
Sorry - No Lavinia!
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDALBY - Suffolk and, after 1860, Birmingham. EBENEZER - Cardiganshire & Glamorgan. GARVEY and GRAHAM - Mayo. HUBBARD - Birmingham. MAUND and LEWIS - Shropshire and Birmingham. MORGAN(S) - Cardiganshire. SLADE - Somerset and Worcester. |
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adicol
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Hi
That is odd, becaue I would have thought Lavinia would have been on there, and what is more odd, is that Sarah and Mary Ann dont show on the 1861, but William does, and it seems the right family.
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W.Yorks; Martin, Hodgson, Tyler,Harrold
LAN; Dodd, Constable, Brinkley
Guernsey; Le Riche
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Shropshire Lass
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Here's Lavinia - further down Boulton Lane.
HO107/1958, folio 402, p 19.
Boulton Lane, Dursley.
Jane Wyman, Head, Widow, 55, Pauper, b. Dursley.
Mary Ann Wyman, Daughter, S, 30, Wire Setter(?), b. Dursley.
William Wyman, Son, S, 20, Labourer, b. Dursley.
Hannah Wyman, Daughter, S, 16, Wire Setter, b. Dursley.
Elizabeth Wyman, Daughter, ?, b. Dursley.
Lavinia Harrold, Lodger, 3, b. Dursley.
Monica
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukDALBY - Suffolk and, after 1860, Birmingham. EBENEZER - Cardiganshire & Glamorgan. GARVEY and GRAHAM - Mayo. HUBBARD - Birmingham. MAUND and LEWIS - Shropshire and Birmingham. MORGAN(S) - Cardiganshire. SLADE - Somerset and Worcester. |
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adicol
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Good god, the poor child was lodging age only 3!!
That has shocked me beyond belief!!
Poor little thing..i am going to see where Mary ann and Sarah are in 1861..probably discarded somewhere else.
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1841 - HO107/347/16, folio 28, p 19.
Slade Lane, Dursley.
James Harrold, 25, Ag lab, b. Gloucestershire.
Sarah Harrold, 25, b. Gloucestershire.
Thomas Harrold, 5, Gloucestershire.
The ages could be "wrong" because of the rounding down that was done.
I agree - poor little Lavinia. It makes you want to know the stories behind the census details, doesn't it?
Monica
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adicol
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Its heartbreaking....makes me wonder if her childhood was a factor in her illegitimate sons birth...poor child may well have been rejected from birth.
So sad.
Colleen
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LAN; Dodd, Constable, Brinkley
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Life must have been very hard for the family, if the 1851 census is right in listing William and George as labourers at their age. Maybe Lavinia was going to be cared for better with the Wymans?
Did you find the missing girls in the 1861? They may be already in service, despite their ages.
Monica
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adicol
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No I havent at what is stranger is I can not locate Lavinia and her kids after the 1871 neither...it is almost like theyhave disasppeared off the face of the earth...i dont know if i am just looking in the wrong places though
Colleen
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LAN; Dodd, Constable, Brinkley
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This may be your Sarah:
Deaths: Sarah Harrold; Dec qr 1854; Dursley, Gloucestershire; Vol 6a, p 153.
Monica
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I think you need to look for a death for Lavinia too. In the 1891 Sidney is remarried to Abiah and they have children with the surnames of Elliots and Jackson so she was probably a widow.
The details are on RG12, piece 2003, folio 25, p 14. If you need a transcription, let me know.
Monica
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adicol
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Hi
A transcription would be great...I have tried to find Lavinias death but to no avail...it is so odd, how they just seemt o have vanished.
Thanks Hun
Colleen
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DUR; Stephenson, Wray, Collier, Lowther,Rothery
GLA; Jones, Allen, Holland, Nicholas,George,Lewis
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LAN; Dodd, Constable, Brinkley
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