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Reayboy
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What do these numbers mean? - COMPLETED
« on: Tuesday 05 September 06 13:13 UTC (UK) »
I have a birth record from IGI that says a Peter Owens was born on Janyary 26 1865, in Clonavaddy, Tyrone. Does anyone know what the 0558 means? Is it a house number, house of the parish, etc? I would also appreciate information on Peter's family, particularly his father Bernard.
Thanks
Matthew
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Durham : Reay, Coxon, Dixon
Newcastle Upon Tyne: Stothard/Stoddart
Cambridgeshire: Hatley, Coe, Flack, Linsdell, Kirby, Laud
Suffolk: Baker, Smith, Flatman
Cumbria: Peel, Scott, Hunter
Gloucestershire: Wertheim, Westcott, Howell, Liles/Lyle/Lyle, Hitching/s
Motherwell, Owens, Rice
Fife: Herd, Moyes, Rodger, Fotheringham
County Tyrone: Owens, Fox, Downie
County Antrim: McGill/Magill
County Donegal: McCartney
Glamorgan: Howell, Liles
Brecon: Griffiths (later in Abergavenny)
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Re: What do these numbers mean?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 05 September 06 13:51 UTC (UK) »
Hi Matthew,

0858 would be the page number of the entry. If you look at the bottom of the I.G.I. entry, you'll see that this is mentioned.
I could find no record of a marriage between Bernard Owens and Eliza Fox, the parents of Peter, but the children are:-

Peter 26 Jan 1865, Clonavaddy, Tyrone (died young ?)
Peter 25 Nov 1869, Down
Eliza 19 Apr 1874, Down
Joseph 27 Dec 1879, Downpatrick, Down

Bervonian.
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Reayboy
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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 05 September 06 13:54 UTC (UK) »
Aha, didnt see that. Oops. Bernard Owens and Eliza married before 1864, so I dont think I will get a date, unless it is on one of the child's birth certiicates, but I dont know Id go about getting them Huh
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Durham : Reay, Coxon, Dixon
Newcastle Upon Tyne: Stothard/Stoddart
Cambridgeshire: Hatley, Coe, Flack, Linsdell, Kirby, Laud
Suffolk: Baker, Smith, Flatman
Cumbria: Peel, Scott, Hunter
Gloucestershire: Wertheim, Westcott, Howell, Liles/Lyle/Lyle, Hitching/s
Motherwell, Owens, Rice
Fife: Herd, Moyes, Rodger, Fotheringham
County Tyrone: Owens, Fox, Downie
County Antrim: McGill/Magill
County Donegal: McCartney
Glamorgan: Howell, Liles
Brecon: Griffiths (later in Abergavenny)
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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 05 September 06 15:03 UTC (UK) »
Sorry to disappoint you Matthew but Irish birth certificates, unlike Scottish ones (except 1856-60), don't give the date and place of marriage.

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Reayboy
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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 05 September 06 15:06 UTC (UK) »
It was worth a try. Thanks for the help. I was wondering whether or not Dungannon is a parish in both County Tyrone and Armagh, and what RC Parishes were in Clonavaddy?
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Durham : Reay, Coxon, Dixon
Newcastle Upon Tyne: Stothard/Stoddart
Cambridgeshire: Hatley, Coe, Flack, Linsdell, Kirby, Laud
Suffolk: Baker, Smith, Flatman
Cumbria: Peel, Scott, Hunter
Gloucestershire: Wertheim, Westcott, Howell, Liles/Lyle/Lyle, Hitching/s
Motherwell, Owens, Rice
Fife: Herd, Moyes, Rodger, Fotheringham
County Tyrone: Owens, Fox, Downie
County Antrim: McGill/Magill
County Donegal: McCartney
Glamorgan: Howell, Liles
Brecon: Griffiths (later in Abergavenny)
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Re: What do these numbers mean?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 06 September 06 07:41 UTC (UK) »
Clonavaddy is a townland in the civil parish of Donaghmore:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Etyrone/parishes/tl/donaghmore_tl.html

The civil parish of Donaghmore is wholly within the County of Tyrone.

Lewis Topographical Dictionary tells us that in the RC parishes of 1835 part of Donaghmore headed a union with Pomeroy, and part a union with Killeshill.

The parishes of Pomeroy and Killeshill fell wholly within the County of Tyrone.

All these areas are within the C of I and RC dioceses of Armagh.  The current RC parish divisions are as shown here:
http://www.armagharchdiocese.org/html/parish/pd.html

Adrian
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Reayboy
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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 06 September 06 07:49 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Adrian. I have an ancestor that is thought to have been born in County Armagh, but her siblings (those who were recorded after 1864) are all born in Down, and one in Tyrone. The birth in Tyrone is the Clonavaddy one. Would there be any links with Armagh here at all?
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Durham : Reay, Coxon, Dixon
Newcastle Upon Tyne: Stothard/Stoddart
Cambridgeshire: Hatley, Coe, Flack, Linsdell, Kirby, Laud
Suffolk: Baker, Smith, Flatman
Cumbria: Peel, Scott, Hunter
Gloucestershire: Wertheim, Westcott, Howell, Liles/Lyle/Lyle, Hitching/s
Motherwell, Owens, Rice
Fife: Herd, Moyes, Rodger, Fotheringham
County Tyrone: Owens, Fox, Downie
County Antrim: McGill/Magill
County Donegal: McCartney
Glamorgan: Howell, Liles
Brecon: Griffiths (later in Abergavenny)
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Re: What do these numbers mean?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 06 September 06 07:57 UTC (UK) »
MatthewR

Your ancestors appear to be themselves a link between the Counties! If you have a serious interest in genealogy, you will not be satisfied with transcribed information from the IGI databases, but will get register-copies or certificates - these should show the occupation of the father, which might indicate a reason for moving from county to county.

Adrian
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Reayboy
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 06 September 06 08:02 UTC (UK) »
Yes, Im only 16, so this is fairly new to me, but its fascinating. The certificates are due to be ordered, but you cant order them all at once, due to taking and processing info when they arrive, and because they are shall we say an awkward price! But, I suppose at the end of the day, the information is priceless. I have on a (Scottish certificate (the family moved there too!!), that says one of the children were married in Belfast, County Antrim, yeah? So, thats ANOTHER POSSIBILITY! I feel that Im not even half way there yet, but welcome the discoveries! Grin
Thanks again Adrian
Matthew
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Durham : Reay, Coxon, Dixon
Newcastle Upon Tyne: Stothard/Stoddart
Cambridgeshire: Hatley, Coe, Flack, Linsdell, Kirby, Laud
Suffolk: Baker, Smith, Flatman
Cumbria: Peel, Scott, Hunter
Gloucestershire: Wertheim, Westcott, Howell, Liles/Lyle/Lyle, Hitching/s
Motherwell, Owens, Rice
Fife: Herd, Moyes, Rodger, Fotheringham
County Tyrone: Owens, Fox, Downie
County Antrim: McGill/Magill
County Donegal: McCartney
Glamorgan: Howell, Liles
Brecon: Griffiths (later in Abergavenny)
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Re: What do these numbers mean?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 06 September 06 08:30 UTC (UK) »
Matthew

I was about 16 when my interest started, and I still often feel lost in the fog of ignorance 40 years later.  To reduce expense for Irish records before 1922, instead of getting certificates you may prefer to visit the GRO in Dublin to purchase photocopies of the register-entries. I believe it may be possible to do this by post, but I'm not sure.

Adrian
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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 06 September 06 08:38 UTC (UK) »
Its certainly worth a go. Its nice to have the actual certificate copy, but I suppose as long as the info is there, thats all. Nobody in the family has ever got this far before, so Ive got new problems to solve on my own, because the family dont know anything about it! I just hope that when I have recorded it all, people after me dont lose it! Its always comforting to know where you come from, and there is just something about Gaelic roots, that seem more rooted and homelike! Cheesy It makes me personally proud to cvome from Scotland and Ireland, but I live in England. Once again, my family seemed to have resettled! I will try the PRO though, thanks for your help.  If you are in contact with somebody called Colette on this site, she I think knows more about my family's movements than I do! But its the name Owens Im stuck on, so Im not done yet.
Regards
Matthew
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Durham : Reay, Coxon, Dixon
Newcastle Upon Tyne: Stothard/Stoddart
Cambridgeshire: Hatley, Coe, Flack, Linsdell, Kirby, Laud
Suffolk: Baker, Smith, Flatman
Cumbria: Peel, Scott, Hunter
Gloucestershire: Wertheim, Westcott, Howell, Liles/Lyle/Lyle, Hitching/s
Motherwell, Owens, Rice
Fife: Herd, Moyes, Rodger, Fotheringham
County Tyrone: Owens, Fox, Downie
County Antrim: McGill/Magill
County Donegal: McCartney
Glamorgan: Howell, Liles
Brecon: Griffiths (later in Abergavenny)
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