Redvers King
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G'day,
New to Scots family history and wondering if somebody can advise just what's on the 1841 census, or is it just bare-bones names?
Found Andrew Thomson b abt 1806 and wife Margaret b ditto, plus son Andrew (1837) and daughter Margaret (1841, aged 3 mo) in the transcript for Annan. All are born "Scotland", which doesn't help greatly.
Know that wife Margaret was née Graham, but can't find their marriage (even in Gretna/Longtown), and without pob can't seem to get further back.
Any help greatly appreciated
Red
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Red
A better census for you to look at is the 1851 Census at http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx Luckily this one is free to view/search also.
I can see the family at Address: Limekilns(812), Household no. II/11. If you go to the search page and just key in those two fields (has to be precise re spacing etc) and you will see the household details come up (15 entries including farm/household servants). You will find details of which parish they were born in and also a better feel on ages, compared to the 1841 index.
Regards.
Monica
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Redvers King
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Hi Monica,
Many thanks for your interest and help, but sadly --- despite the coincidence of forenames --- they wouldn't seem to be the family I'm looking for. They are on the 1851 for Cumberland, just over the border at Kirlinton Hall, Hethergill where Andrew Snr was gardener.
Yr kind reply does infer that, as per the English 1841 Census, the Scottish 1841 does give only bare-bones data.
Had initially thought Farmer Andrew and gardener Andrew might be close relatives, but other checks show many, many Thomsons (and Grahams) in the locality.
Again, my sincere thanks
Red
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MonicaLesl
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Red
That's a pity. As you thought, bare bones only. You don't get relationships in the household, ages for people over 15 yrs are supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years (children under 15 are supposed to show true age) and, in respect of birth places, you only get whether they were born in the county that the census was being taken or 'born outside the county' but in Scotland.
If you could track down their death certs in England (?) they would at least show their fathers' names which would aid your searches.
Good luck!
Monica
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Redvers King
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Thanks again, Monica.
Will try the death Cert route.
Best wishes
Red
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Gadget
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Hi
Before you invest in the death certificates - sadly the England and Wales ones do not give any parents' names.
They're not half as good as the Scottish ones 
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MonicaLesl
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Ooops my mistake, I'd been led to believe they at least showed the father's name.
Monica
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Gadget
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No Monica - sometimes if it's a very young child and the informant might give a clue - very sad
I've had a look on SP for Andrew bpt. 1800-1807 (because of the age banding) but it's needles and haystacks. One poss in Kirkpatrick Fleming but needn't necessarily have been born D & G
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Redvers King
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Hi Gadget,
Thanks to you too for kind input. Like you say, "Needles" !!
Red
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Gadget
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Hi Red
Given the ages of Andrew and Margaret, have you found any earlier baptisms of possible children. Might give us a clue - or even bpts of the two youngest 
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Redvers King
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Hi Gadget,
Sadly not. From what I can see there were just sons Andrew & John (abt 1837 and 1844 in "Scotland"), daughter Margaret abt June of 1841, ditto and then over in Cumberland, Barbara in 1846.
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Gadget
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Were they Church of Scotland or RC or some other religion?
I can't find any baptism records for either boys
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Redvers King
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Hello again Gadget,
Sorry, but no religion stated.
Guess that Andrew Snr (a Gardener) in Annan 1841 and 1851 Kirklinton Hall, Cumberland --- well, I guess that he moved around due to his job and thus married Margaret Graham and had the first two children elsewhere.
Looks like a brick wall
However, many, many thanks
Red
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