Welcome, Guest. Please login or register for free.
Did you miss your activation email?
Saturday 11 October 08 07:08 BST (UK)
Welcome Home Help Shop Search Calendar Login Register
Search Images Online
 
  First Name(s)
Last Name
 
News: Ad: Find YOUR Family Tree at OneGreatFamily

+  RootsChat.Com
|-+  England (Counties as in 1851-1901)
| |-+  England - General
| | |-+  Kent
| | | |-+  Kent Lookup Requests (Moderator: casalguidi)
| | | | |-+  1841 census lookup please
« previous next »
Pages: [1] Print
Author Topic: 1841 census lookup please  (Read 347 times)
bh1
RootsChat Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 166
1841 census lookup please
« on: Thursday 14 February 08 23:42 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to find a George Griggs born around 1790.  I have very few details about him and don't know his wife's name.   He appears on his daughter Mary's marriage certificate in 1840 but I don't know for sure that he was still alive in 1841.

Mary lived in Ramsgate, so I am assuming that her father was from Thanet as  well.

Can anyone help?

Thanks
BH
Logged
CaroleW
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Offline Offline

Posts: 9461
Re: 1841 census lookup please
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 February 08 00:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi

We need to work backwards from Mary so can you give us the following info

How old was she on her marriage certificate in 1840

Quote
Mary lived in Ramsgate
but was she actually born there?

Who did Mary marry   (I can see her marriage on freebmd but there are 4 possible spouses on the same page)

Have you found her on the 1851 census which will give her birthplace.
Logged
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
casalguidi
Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 10502
Re: 1841 census lookup please
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 February 08 09:25 GMT (UK) »
I assume this is the daughter Mary Ann GRIGGS ............

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,49363.0.html

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,66460.0.html

Who were the witnesses on her marriage certificate - any clues there?  What was George's occupation?

There was a George GRIGGS and Elizabeth having children at about that time in Margate ie. Caroline 1815 http://www.familysearch.org but the batch number only goes back to 1813 Undecided

Casalguidi Smiley
Logged
Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
bh1
RootsChat Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 166
Re: 1841 census lookup please
« Reply #3 on: Friday 15 February 08 16:25 GMT (UK) »
To answer the questions raised below:

Her marriage certificate just says full age and she married John Cramp.  The witnesses were Joseph Marriott and Mary Cramp (John's sister?) They were living in Hereson Road Ramsgate when they married and lived at 1 Princes Road, Ramsgate in 1841 and 1851 censuses.  The 1851 census shows Mary as being born in Margate.

George was a blacksmith.

Thanks for your help.
BH
Logged
CaroleW
RootsChat Marquessate
********
Offline Offline

Posts: 9461
Re: 1841 census lookup please
« Reply #4 on: Friday 15 February 08 18:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi

From the information provided to you back in 2005 you know Mary's birthyear which was in the region of 1813

Quote
1851

1 Princes Palace?, Ramsgate

John CRAMP head mar 44 lab b.Ramsgate
Mary wife 38 b.Margate
Catherine dau 12 b.Ramsgate
Mary dau 7 b.Ramsgate
Ann dau 3 b.Ramsgate

Knowing the birthyear helps us get a rough idea of how old the parents may have been on a particular census - allowing for any older children

There is only one George Griggs entry on the 1841 who was old enough to have fathered a child in 1813.  However - he was an agricultural labourer, not a blacksmith, aged 70 and living in the Union Workhouse in Bridge

There is this entry on the IGI but you have no way of knowing whether it is the correct one

Mary Ann Griggs  Christening:  02 JUN 1816   Staple Kent, 
Parents  George Griggs &  Sarah Griggs 

Logged
Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
casalguidi
Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
*******
Offline Offline

Posts: 10502
Re: 1841 census lookup please
« Reply #5 on: Monday 18 February 08 11:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi BH

Have you tried the Kent Lookup Exchange http://members.tripod.com/~jo42/knt.html Huh

There is a lookup offer for Thanet St John (Margate) parish registers - it might be a good idea to enquire about any baptism of a Mary GRIGGS c1813 (give or take a year or two) and also the baptism of Caroline 1815 to see whether her father was a blacksmith.

Casalguidi Smiley
Logged
Census information is Crown Copyright http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
gini
RootsChat Extra
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 3


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Re: 1841 census lookup please
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 03 April 08 16:22 BST (UK) »
Hi, sorry if you already have this message, I am new to the site and have not found my way around yet.
I am interested in the George Griggs b. 1790 that you are looking for.  I have a George Griggs b. 1790 in Sandwich that just maybe a possibility.  He does not appear in the1841 census so I presumed him dead.  He is one of six children born to James and Mary Griggs, in Sandwich.  The only (I believed ) surviving child was William b. 1789 who is my gtx4grandfather.  William was a blacksmith.  The only other survivor of childhood in the family was James b. 1787 but again he does not appear on the 1841 census so I presume he died before this.  It would be good to hear from you about this if you think it could be a match.
Regards
Gini
Logged
gini
RootsChat Extra
**
Offline Offline

Posts: 3


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Re: 1841 census lookup please
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 April 08 16:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Barbara,
This is what I have -
James Griggs. b. 1760 Sandwich  m. Mary b. 1761 Sandwich in 1784 in Sandwich.
  William b. 1785 d. 1787
  James b. 1787
  William b. 1789 m. Mary Browning b. 1790 Littlebourne, in
  1811. (This is my ancester) - 9 children
  George b. 1790
  Anne b.d. 1792
  John b. 1794 d. 1795

I have never been able to trace George or James as they have not appeared on the 1841 Census (probably died or could have emigraged).  However I do know they were all Blacksmiths, which is what drew me to your post.  Although errors of birth dates, & towns born etc., rarely is there an error with occupation. 
George Griggs b. 1790 and a blacksmith could so easily be the father of Mary b. 1813 who married John Cramp in Ramsgate.  William (George's brother) left Sandwich in his early twenties probably to find work as a Blacksmith, so why not George. 
Perhaps you could send me the information you have and I can help in the search.
Good to hear from you.
Regards
Virginia
Logged
bh1
RootsChat Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 166
Re: 1841 census lookup please
« Reply #8 on: Friday 11 April 08 15:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Gini,

It cerainly sounds like a probable match for the family.  There can't have been too many blacksmiths around in one area.

I don't have anymore information on George other than a possible marriage with Elizabeth Ladd on 8th October 1809 at St Peters, Thanet.

As for Mary, she married John Cramp 11 August 1840 in the parish church of St Lawrence, and was shown as full age.  Both were living in Hereson Road Ramsgate and I believe they may have already had a daughter Catherine from details on the 1841 census.

In both the 1841 and 1851 censuses they were living at 1 Princes Place, Ramsgate.  They had 2 more daughters Mary Ann born 1844 and Anne born 1848.

That is as far as I have got with the family.  At some point I am hoping to be able to check the parish records in Thanet to see what else I can find.

Thanks for your help with this.  Any leads to follow up would be great.

Best wishes
Barbara
Logged
Foad Family Kent
RootsChat Member
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 133



WWW
Griggs - Cramp, Margate
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 20 April 08 17:15 BST (UK) »
There is a Caroline Griggs baptised 12th Feb 1815 to George a Blacksmith and Elizabeth Griggs. This took place at St John's Margate and the Ceremony performed by W Frederick Bayley, Vicar.
Another child George Griggs born 17th Nov 1810 Baptised 25th Dec 1810, Father George Mother Elizabeth. William H Chapman was the Officiating Minister.

A George Griggs married an Elizabeth Ladd 8th Oct 1809 in St Peter's Broadstairs. Witnessed by R Busbridge and John Barnes.

There was a George Cock Griggs born in Margate in 1791.  Baptised 24th August 1791 at St John's to William and Mary.
Logged
FOAD, All
Bridgland,  Chapman (Hawkshurst),
Morley, Markwick, BRIGHTON SUSSEX
Conachy, ANY
Bunny, Luke, Stripp, CORNWALL
Knight, Kemp Royle (Salford) . MANCHESTER
Field - RYE- RAMSGATE
Philpott - Goodwin, KENT
Researching ALL Margate and Whitstable, Kent surnames.
Pages: [1] Print 
« previous next »


[Copyright] [Free RootsChat Webspace] [Your Surname Interests] [Shrink Link] [About Us] [Terms of Use]
All Census Lookups are Crown Copyright, National Archives for academic and non-commercial research purposes only
RootsChat.com cannot be held responsible directly or indirectly for the messages or content posted by others. Inline images in messages are the copyright of the respective linked sites.
RootsChat.com, Europa House, Bury, Lancashire, BL9 5BT
1.902:24