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Re: Don't be deceived - Research isn't always easy!
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 26 August 07 17:16 BST (UK) »

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Re: Don't be deceived - Research isn't always easy!
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 26 August 07 19:06 BST (UK) »

I would like to add to Mogsmum's original point by saying that I have heard Nick Barrett give an excellent talk about (amongst other things) the way that television presents our little hobby. Of course it is condensed, watching someone researching is probably not much up from watching paint dry, so it has to be viewable to a sizeable audience - some of whom will not be remotely interested in genealogy.

However, the down side is that apparently there are a large number people out there who think that they can wander into the Family Records Office and ask for their 'brown envelope'.  Shocked

Perhaps better that than not generating more people to the subject...

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Re: Don't be deceived - Research isn't always easy!
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 02 September 07 09:02 BST (UK) »

I certainly second what Betty says about the BBC FH message board! We've had more than one person who thinks it is backed by a team of 'BBC experts', and one of them was taken aback by all of the strange 'nicknames' who were answering the query!
     Unfortunately, that board doesn't have a 'sticky' facility; we have to keep bumping our 'Message to new members' to the top.
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Re: Don't be deceived - Research isn't always easy!
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 06 September 07 22:39 BST (UK) »

Haven't tried the BBC FH message board.  I didn't know about it.
For whoever is looking for a census in UK before 1841 - well there isn't one you have to go to parish resisters before that.

At least in Australia we have an 1828 census which is great as country not settled very far outside Botany Bay by then.

Good Luck

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Re: Don't be deceived - Research isn't always easy!
« Reply #19 on: Friday 07 September 07 06:00 BST (UK) »


For whoever is looking for a census in UK before 1841 - well there isn't one you have to go to parish resisters before that.


Not totally true I am afraid, there exist a number of earlier censuses than the 1841 although they are obviously not as useful to the family historian.

For example, i have used the 1821 & 1831 censuses that have survived for Marylebone and the 1831 for Hammersmith. They quote each property with the surnames & occupations of the head of the household and the numbers of others at that address.

I have also used the 1829 Poll of the 'hamlet' of Hammersmith.

There is a booklet called 'Pre-1841 Census & Population Listings in the British Isle' by Colin Chapman,  listing all the surveys in the UK from the middle ages.

http://www.lochinpublishing.org.uk/Pre%201841.htm

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Re: Don't be deceived - Research isn't always easy!
« Reply #20 on: Friday 07 September 07 07:04 BST (UK) »

What you learn here! Did not know that there were earlier censuses, so I Googled
"Pre-1841 Census" and found an 1801 Census in Yarmouth, and bingo! a new relation!

Thanks, John!

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Re: Don't be deceived - Research isn't always easy!
« Reply #21 on: Friday 07 September 07 07:38 BST (UK) »

Well done Meles!  Grin  I've got some 1821 and 1831 for a village in Sussex and that too allowed me to see some of relations a bit earlier!

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Re: Don't be deceived - Research isn't always easy!
« Reply #22 on: Friday 07 September 07 08:33 BST (UK) »

I've got some of the early ones for parts of London (found OHs ancestors on it)  and, a great prize, one of 1792 for Balmaclellan in Scotland.

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Re: Don't be deceived - Research isn't always easy!
« Reply #23 on: Friday 07 September 07 11:47 BST (UK) »

This looks useful:

Census Schedules & Listings 1801-1831
An introduction & guide.
http://www.essex.ac.uk/history/working-papers/MW-RW-BM.pdf


It lists what was taken & where, & where copies can be found, for many counties.

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Skinner - Deal
Bushell - Walmer
Cornwell - Ash, Sandwich, Wingham
Dennis - Eastry & Dover
Fagg - Elmstone
Laurence - Northbourne & Betteshanger
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Re: Don't be deceived - Research isn't always easy!
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 13 October 07 15:33 BST (UK) »

Wow, fantastic reading! I only joined yesterday but this topic has taught me loads, not least of which is that my eleven years of family research makes me a mere beginner lol! I certainly never knew there were earlier censuses. Thanks everyone.
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Re: Don't be deceived - Research isn't always easy!
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 13 October 07 17:34 BST (UK) »

Actually - not a new relation.

Why should I think William Brock carpenter b. 1780 Yarmouth was anything to do with William Brock journeyman carpenter b. c 1780 Yarmouth?  Roll Eyes

It's like one of those jigsaw puzzles where the picture is baked beans. Damn pieces can go anywhere...!

Rant over. Feel better now.  Smiley

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Brock: Alburgh, Norfolk, and after 1850, London; Tooley: Norfolk
Grimmer: Norfolk; Grimson: Norfolk
Harrison: London; Pollock
Dixon: Hampshire; Collins: Middx
Jeary: Norfolk; Davison: Norfolk
Rogers: London; Bartlett: London
Drew: Kent; Alden: Hants
Gamble: Yorkshire; Huntingford: East London

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Re: Don't be deceived - Research isn't always easy!
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 13 October 07 18:05 BST (UK) »

Over on the BBC Family History message board, we get a number of newbies each time a new series of WDYTYA starts.  Some stay the distance, but most seem to disappear when they realise how much work is involved.

I realise that the programmes can't show every minute of every search, but the way it's done is very misleading, they should make it clear just how time-consuming & frustrating it can sometimes be when you don't have a tame expert on hand!

Betty


well, i logged in and said that ive traced my tree back to 1540 in scotland.

then some smart arse piped up and accused me of getting it all off the internet and thought he was giving me advice, err been there, done that

http://forum.bbcwhodoyouthinkyouare.com/tm.asp?m=110

anyway, not it isn't that easy, i began with one name, and very little info.

the best advice is to take your time, and keep on checking and cross-referencing, and go to the churches and look at their records.
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Re: Don't be deceived - Research isn't always easy!
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 13 October 07 18:11 BST (UK) »

Hi peteseaton

There's nothing wrong with getting your info off the internet anyway so blow that smart arse a big raspberry  Grin Grin

Now as parish registers are made more available online it is feasible to get back a long way without stepping outside your front door, just not as much fun  Grin

When I started 3 years ago I got a lot of my tree from the IGI etc online and have spent the intervening years amending, correcting and adding to.  It was a good place to start and totally agree with your about taking your time, checking and cross referencing.

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Re: Don't be deceived - Research isn't always easy!
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 13 October 07 20:24 BST (UK) »

Ooohhh no no Pete, not that board, this is the real BBC Family History Board
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbhistory/F2233810

I hope we have got better manners than that on there!!

 Grin
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Over on the BBC Family History message board, we get a number of newbies each time a new series of WDYTYA starts.  Some stay the distance, but most seem to disappear when they realise how much work is involved.

I realise that the programmes can't show every minute of every search, but the way it's done is very misleading, they should make it clear just how time-consuming & frustrating it can sometimes be when you don't have a tame expert on hand!

Betty


well, i logged in and said that ive traced my tree back to 1540 in scotland.

then some smart arse piped up and accused me of getting it all off the internet and thought he was giving me advice, err been there, done that

http://forum.bbcwhodoyouthinkyouare.com/tm.asp?m=110

anyway, not it isn't that easy, i began with one name, and very little info.

the best advice is to take your time, and keep on checking and cross-referencing, and go to the churches and look at their records.

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KENT:
Stutely - Wittersham & Stone
Padgham - Wittersham
Wanstall - Northbourne
Taylor - Ringwould & Ash
Skinner - Deal
Bushell - Walmer
Cornwell - Ash, Sandwich, Wingham
Dennis - Eastry & Dover
Fagg - Elmstone
Laurence - Northbourne & Betteshanger
Relf - Kent & Sussex

Also
Funnell - Sussex
Schloss - Nottingham & Massachusetts
Cohen - Birmingham


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Re: Don't be deceived - Research isn't always easy!
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 13 October 07 20:33 BST (UK) »

I've just had a look - blimey, what a ....robust... lot they are!

We're much more polite and (with one or two exceptions) sensitive to others' views  Grin

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Brock: Alburgh, Norfolk, and after 1850, London; Tooley: Norfolk
Grimmer: Norfolk; Grimson: Norfolk
Harrison: London; Pollock
Dixon: Hampshire; Collins: Middx
Jeary: Norfolk; Davison: Norfolk
Rogers: London; Bartlett: London
Drew: Kent; Alden: Hants
Gamble: Yorkshire; Huntingford: East London

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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