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1861 look up please
« on: Saturday 16 September 06 20:58 BST (UK) »

looking for mother and daughter letitia born 1791 and christina born 1825 surname ILIFFE

have them on 1851 with a granchild living with them aged 4 name tom

many thanks

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Re: 1861 look up please
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 16 September 06 23:03 BST (UK) »

Hi bacardi,
Christiana married in Sep 1851 Thomas Bent or Edmund Roe (see freebmd) but I found her married to a Jabez Chaplin in Nottinghamshire:

RG9/2452 fol.108 p.17 Prince Regent St, Radford, Notts
Jabez Chaplin head mar 33  F.W.K.  Hinckley, Leics
Christinia  "    wife    "    33                   "          "
Thomas     "    son          14                   "          "
Lucretia Iliff            wid   78             East Shilton  "

In 1881 census Jabez is a Framework Knitter - hence the initials I suppose, but I'm not much wiser  Embarrassed

Death for a Letitia Iliffe Sep.1862 Leicester 7a 86

Hope this helps, Barbara
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Re: 1861 look up please
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 16 September 06 23:53 BST (UK) »

Hi, just found this on Dan Burrows site - a Frameworker Knitter was someone who operated machines which made hosiery - so now we know  Cheesy
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Re: 1861 look up please
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 17 September 06 11:31 BST (UK) »

many thanks babara

thats interesting as i have christina on 1891 living with a chuslum chaplin he is head of the houshold and christina is a lodger along with a harry iliffe also lodger

can you see them on 1891 for me cus is christinas surname iliffe or chaplin on that census,some one done the look up so dont have the image

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Re: 1861 look up please
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 17 September 06 12:23 BST (UK) »

bit confused by the age of christinas son thomas in 1881
as have him born 1847 in 1851 census

in 1881 he is born 1867,perhaps she had another son also named thomas by jabez and the other son born 1847 was by a diffrent father

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Re: 1861 look up please
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 01 October 06 16:17 BST (UK) »

Hi Angie,
Sorry for late reply, have been away on hol.
1891 census shows the head of household is Christiana not Chuslum, full details:

1891 RG12/2534 fol.100 p.18  10 Hull St, St. Margarets, Leicester
Christiana Chaplin  head widow 66  Hosiery Seamer  Leics, Hinckley
Harry  Iliffe            lodger   s       20  Hosiery hand      Leicester
Christiana Iliffe         "        s       14      "          "              "

and 1881: looks as if the above were her grandchildren, well, Christiana aged 14 anyway, with Thomas as her father, Thomas born 1847 as in previous census so it was Thomas' son Thomas who you have as born 1867 in 1881:
1881 RG11/3171 fol.115 p.11  27 Devonshire St, St. Margaret's, Leicester
Jabez Chaplin  head  mar  33  Framework Knitter  Leics, Hinckley
Christiana  "     wife     "    52                                     "         "
think they've got his age wrong!

1881 RG11/3171 fol.120 p.21  1 Spencer St, St. Margaret, Leicester
Thomas Iliffe  head marr 34 Framework Knitter  Leics, Hinckley
Maria       "     wife    "     33 Circular Hand Hosiery  Leicester
Thomas H. "   son           13  Scholar                          "
Edmund     "      "               7       "                                "
Christiana  "    dau            4       "                                "
Alma          "       "               1                                        "

Hope this helps, Barbara

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Re: 1861 look up please
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 01 October 06 19:18 BST (UK) »

thats great

thats answerd a few questions

except i havnt got a clew who harry is on 1891

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 01 October 06 19:19 BST (UK) »

can you see any of the above in later censuses for me please xxxx
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Re: 1861 look up please
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 01 October 06 19:48 BST (UK) »

Hi Angie,
There are a few Harry Iliffes, so not sure yet who he is.  However, here's the 1871 found under Choplin:
1871 RG10/3281 fol.57 p.1   -  1 South Church Gate, St. Mgt, Leicester
Jabay Choplin  Father marr 43 Framework Knitter  Hinckley, Leics
Christian  "      Wife       "    43         "             "  wife     "             "
Tom         "       son       "     24         "             "             "            "
Maria       "       wife      "     21         "             " wife     "             "
Tom        "        son    unm    3                                      "             "
Charles   "         "         "        1                                      "            "     

and Christiana in 1901:
1901 RG13/2988 fol.17 p.27  8 Gravel St, Leicester
Christian Chaplin head wid 77 hosiery seamer  Hinckley, Leics     (living alone) 
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Re: 1861 look up please
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 01 October 06 20:31 BST (UK) »

many thaks again

so jabez and christinas son tom is married to maria and there children are living there aswell

is that correct,cus it names 2 wives on the census

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Re: 1861 look up please
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 01 October 06 20:44 BST (UK) »

hi again

is toms surname iliffe or chaplin on the 1871 census

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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 01 October 06 23:55 BST (UK) »

Yes.  1871 - I've put ditto marks to show that all were surnamed Choplin (or Chaplin!).   It looks as if Christiana's son Tom Iliffe took Jabez' surname Chaplin  1861-1871.  It should perhaps have said son's wife for Maria but it doesn't.  It doesn't look as if Jabez & C had any other children.

In 1881 Tom is married to Maria but gone back to his Iliffe surname.

Then possibly Tom died and Maria remarried to a widower with a child:
1891 RG12/2535 fol.60 p.32  18 South Church St, Leicester
William Tapley  head 41  Saddler  Belgrave, Leicester
Maria  Tapley    wife   42 Hosiery Worker   Leicester
Selina  Tapley   dau     9  Scholar                      "
Alma Iliffe     dau. step 11    "                            "
Flora Iliffe       "       "    8

You might check for Tom's death and marriage and Maria's remarriage on freebmd.  Hope this helps, Barbara
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Re: 1861 look up please
« Reply #12 on: Monday 02 October 06 10:34 BST (UK) »

many thanks babarah

thats great

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