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sage
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Hi All,
I am searching for some members of the McNeil family. I have a Duncan McNeil died 18 Oct 1901 aged 59 in Motherwell but his wife Lavina or Lavinia (nee Dewar) died sometime btwn 1891 & 1901 and I haven't managed to find a death record for her. The family were living in Wishaw in 1891 and I wondered if there might be a record or monumental inscription for this couple at the Cambusnethan cemetery.
Duncan McNeil's parents were Daniel McNeil and Margaret Robertson. I know that Margaret died 26 Apr 1883 aged 62 in Wishaw but I haven't found Daniel's death but I know he died after her.
Any help would be appreciated.
Heather.
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Lodger
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Hi heather,
Here's what I found in the records I have (not complete) for Cambusnethan churchyard and cemetery.
The first four are entries in the Day Book of internments for Public burials (this probably meant that it was a pauper's burial but if the family owned a plot the internment would have been carried out in that plot)
AGNES McNEIL, domestic servant, Wishaw, aged 17 years. Single.
Parents - David McNeil and Margaret Robertson.
Interred old burial ground 19 March 1861.
MARGARET R McNEIL, Wishaw, aged 16 months.
Parents - Duncan McNeil and Lavina Dewar.
Interred old burial ground 4 Feb 1870.
DUNCAN McNEIL, labourer, Wishaw, aged 85 years, widower.
Parents - Duncan McNeil and Catherine ------
Interred old burial ground 23 Aug 1871.
ISAIAH D McNEIL, Wishaw, aged 7 months.
Parents - Duncan McNeil and Lavina Dewar.
Interred old burial ground 31 March 1874.
I included Agnes in this list as there may well have been a mistake in the original entry or in the subsequent transcription. There may also have been a Gaelic name or nickname used by Duncan/David/Donald that could have obscured his given name. (there is a Donald coming up).
The next two entries are from the Day Book for the modern cemetery at Cambusnethan. (It adjoins the old burial ground at the ruined church).
MALCOLM McNEIL, mining contractor, Wishaw, aged 57 years, married.
Parents - Donald McNeil and Margaret Robertson.
Interred section E 1072. 28 Nov 1912.
MARGARET SMITH, housewife, Wishaw, aged 34 years, married.
Parents - Duncan McNeil and Lavina Dewar.
Interred section E 2085. 21 Feb 1914.
Lair owned by George Smith, coalminer, 2 McAlpine Street Wishaw.
The next entry is a list of burials in a plot in the old burial ground surrounding the parish church, the original (Victorian) owner was Duncan McNeil.
The records for the old churchyard only begin in the latter part of the 19th century, there would have been burials in this plot before 1879 - the earliest date on this list.
Buried in the South section -
DUNCAN McNEIL aged 60 years.
Interred 21 Oct 1901.
EUPHEMIA McNEIL aged 26 years.
Interred 30 Aug 1902.
MARY S McNEIL aged 5 weeks.
Interred 6 Oct 1902.
- - - McNEIL aged 3 hours.
Interred 24 Feb 1886.
- - - McNEIL no age given.
Interred 1 Dec 1886. (may have been a still birth).
Buried in the Centre section -
DONALD McNEIL aged 79 years.
Interred 3 Sept 1891.
MARY McNEIL aged 2 months.
2 April 1896.
Interred in the North section -
MARGARET McNEIL aged 2 years.
Interred 19 March 1879.
MARGARET McNEIL aged 62 years.
Interred 26 March 1883.
MARY DOUGALL aged 33 years.
Interred 14 July 1903.
This section is now full.
I can also confirm that there is a headstone at this plot with the inscription -
"Erected by Duncan McNeil and Margaret Young in memory of their daughter Catherine who died 1836 aged 4 years".
The following entry in the Public burials Day Book may or may not be the above Margaret Young.
MARGARET McNEIL, housewife, Holytown, aged 70 years, married.
Parents - William Young and Margaret Lindsay.
Interred old burial ground 4 July 1868.
Hope this helps a little.
Lodger.
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sage
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Hi Lodger,
You should change your name to legend!
Thanks so much, as I have been able to go back a further two generations thanks to your information. I have also managed to find Lavina's death and it appears that she and Duncan may have been separated and therefore she wasn't buried with him.
I have another McNeil conundrum but I will get this house in order first. Thanks once again...your blood's worth bottling 
Heather.
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Hi
I have been reading about all the successfull searches for family grave sites and I was wondering if anyone could help me? I am trying to locate my grandmothers grave, her name was Sarah Ann Donnelly (maiden name Kivlochan). Her last known address was Landessy Steet and she died in Duke Street Hospital on sept 7th 1926. The family were very poor, so I cannot imagine she had a headstone.
regards colcal
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crookedtail
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Lodger Hi,
On May 14 of 2008 you did a lookup for me....
and with success on my Robert Paterson....would you
have any more updated info that may help me find his
wife Margaret Beattie Paterson now?
Just hoping....Thanks ...Crookedtail
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Lodger
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Hi Crookedtail,
If I couldn't find her then, I wont find her now as the information hasn't been updated .... sorry.
Lodger
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Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire.
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire.
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
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crookedtail
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Grandmother Mary Brown
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Lodger i figured as much but thought i would ask...'
Thank you for all you have done in the past and for responding to my question today....Crookedtail
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sage
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Hi Lodger,
I'm back to test your McNeil knowledge again! I think this family is totally unrelated to the other but they appear to have been in the Cambusnethan area since the 1860s.
I have a death record for Catherine McNeil (nee Ferguson) and she died 19 Aug 1893 aged 58 in Newmains.
Her husband, Malcolm McNeil died 31 May 1903 aged 68.
I wondered if there might have been other family members buried in Cambusnethan too as I am having trouble tracking them all down.
I know you would have David & Catherine Armit (nee McNeil) & Malcolm & Jeanie McNeil (nee Reid) but there are John, Mary, Archibald, Isabella, Euphemia, Alexander & Margaret also...phew!
Any help with this McNeil dynasty would be appreciated,
With thanks,
Heather.
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Lodger
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Hi Heather - test away!!!
First of all, Catherine Ferguson was married to Malcolm McNeil (sometimes McNeill) 30th May 1854 at West or Old parish, Greenock. They had the following children -
John born 18th April 1856 Shotts.
Mary born 7th Aug 1858 Old Monkland.
Mary born 20th Aug 1859 Old Monkland.
Archibald born 9th June 1861 Cambusnethan.
Isabella born 1st May 1863 Cambusnethan.
Euphemia born 14th April 1865 Cambusnethan.
Alexander born 17th April 1867 Cambusnethan.
Margaret born 19th Nov 1868 Cambusnethan.
Catherine born 1872 Cambusnethan.
Malcolm McNeil was born about 1832 on the island of Gigha, his father was John McNeill, a tailor who died at Campbeltown September 1871, aged about 75 years.
John was married twice, I'm not too sure who his first wife was but the info should be on Malcolm's death certificate.
John's second wife was Mary Milloy and they had one son, Neil who was born about 1846 and was unmarried at 1869. (This information is taken from his father's poor relief claim in the Gigha and Cara Register of Poor at Argyll and Bute Archives in Lochgilphead - Copies at City Archives in the Mitchell Library Glasgow).
From John's first marriage he had -
Archibald, born about 1821, a fisherman.
John, born about 1823, also a fisherman.
Malcolm, born about 1832.
Alexander, born about 1836, a blacksmith. (In Glasgow)
All 4 were married.
Catherine McNeil, born 1872 at Cambusnethan, married David Armit at Cambusnethan in 1892.
They had at least 3 children -
Malcolm McNeil Armit born 1899 died 1902.
John Armit born 1915 died 1916.
James, not sure of his birth or death but he had a daughter Catherine.
back to Catherine Ferguson.
she was born on the island of Islay about 1835, both she and her husband Malcolm were Gaelic speakers.
In 1871 they were at 12 Store row Newmains, parish of Cambusnethan. Malcolm was a furnaceman at Coltness Iron Works.
By 1881 they were at 42 Stable Row, Newmains and they were still there in 1891.
In 1901 Malcolm was of course a widower, and he was living with his married son Archibald, his wife and 10 children at McLees cottage, Stewarton Street Wishaw.
If you find John McNeill's death certificate from 1871 his parents should be listed.
John McNeil born Shotts 1856 was at 25 Tweed Street, West Calder in 1881. (1881 - 701 - 1 - 28) He was living with his wife Agnes aged 21 years and he was a shale miner.
Malcolm McNeil and Catherine Ferguson had the following children buried at Cambusnethan, all in paupers graves -
Alexander aged 8 months, Newmains.
Buried 7 Jan 1868.
Euphemia aged 4 years, Newmains.
Buried 28 Jan 1870.
Still Born male child, Newmains.
Buried 28 Dec 1870.
Isabella aged 10 years, Newmains.
Buried 26 May 1873.
John aged 19 years, miner, Newmains.
Buried 14 Sept 1875.
Also in Cambusnethan - plot No 367 section D. The following three internments -
Malcolm McNeil, coal miner, aged 50, married.
Parents Malcolm McNeil and Catherine Ferguson.
Buried 4 Jan 1908.
Malcolm McNeil aged 11 weeks, Newmains.
Parents Malcolm McNeil and Jane Reid.
Buried 3 June 1891.
Agnes E Mcneil aged 15 months, Newmains.
Parents Malcolm McNeil and Jeanie Reid.
Buried 10 June 1899.
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That will keep you busy for an hour or two.
Lodger.
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Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
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margmo1
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hi lodger
could you please have a look for ANDREW NISBET & his wife JANE. Also their children andrew, william, john, robert, thomas & elizabeth. they were all born and lived in cambusnethan so may be buried in the cemetery.
mega thanks
margaret
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margmo1
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hi lodger
could you please have a look for ANDREW NISBET & his wife JANE. Also their children andrew, william, john, robert, thomas & elizabeth. they were all born and lived in cambusnethan so may be buried in the cemetery.
mega thanks
margaret
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Lodger
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Hi Margaret,
Sorry, no Andrew Nisbet and no children with Andrew as the father. Do you have Jane's maiden name?
The records I have end at the middle of 1917.
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Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire.
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Scrim - Perthshire.
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
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margmo1
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hi lodger
thank you for looking . i have found that andrew & his wife jane sellet/cellet both died in 1872. andrew appears with different spellings of his surname, nesbit/nisbet.
their address on the 1871 census was newmains.
regards
margaret
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Lodger
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Hi margaret, still no sign of them, although the records from that time are not the best.
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Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire.
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire.
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
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Lodger
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Pennyfuir, Oban
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Heather...... The John McNeil in West Calder 1881 must be wrong, he was born in Shotts so I assumed he was the son of Malcolm and Catherine. After looking at the 1875 burial I realised the mistake.
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Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire.
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire.
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.
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