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Anyone fancy having a look for the following person, I have her in the 1891 census but can't find her anywhere prior to that.
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Have just received her marriage cert as follows:
Married 17 Jun 1888 in the Free Methodist Chapel, Louth, Lincolnshire.
Husband: Thomas Abbott.
Residence at time of marriage: South Cockerington
Condition: Spinster.
Age: Looks like 22
Father: Joseph Thompson (farm labourer)
Witnesess Charles Dyas & Mary Ann Dyas
Does this help in my quest?
I note it states Eva is 22 on the cert which would make her birth 1866 and I have been looking around 1863 as per some census info. Though I still can't find a birth for her in 1866 in BMD.
Many thanks in advance
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Hi Arkwright,
Wonder if this one is a possible?
1871
RG10/3407 26 23
South Cockerington, Lincolnshire
Joshua Wenn, head, 32, Cottager 14 Acres, b. South Cockerington
Ann, wife, 37, b. Totherley?
Eva Thompson, adopted, 9, scholar, b. South Cockerington
(she's down as Eva Winn in 1881)
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Hi and thanks for the reply.
I have looked at that entry before and I suspect it could be connected.
However, it didn't get me any closer to finding information about her birth unfortunately.
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Thanks for the welcome...
I have searched the complete index from 1860 to 1870 with no joy whatsoever...
I thought I had the answer from a another forum until the marriage cert arrived and it blew the theory out of the water unfortunately.
If you click on the link below you can see the original thread I posted in another forum.
http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16061&highlight=arkwright
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Geoff E
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Looking at the 1861 census for an Ann born in Fotherby about 1834 (Ann WINN in later years) finds
North Cockerington
George SMITH 34 Cottager farmer 34 Acres, S Cockerington
Ann (wife) 27 Primitive Methodist Preacher, Fotherby
Mary THOMPSON (Unm,Lodger) 21 Theddlethorpe St Helen
George SMITH buried South Cockerington 18 Sept 1864 (38)
EDIT: I see Pam already did this on the other thread, Ah well ...
Re: age at marriage - did saying that she was 22 make her younger than Thomas ABBOTT?
Re: father at marriage - much more respectable to have a father than not have one. (No one would know.)
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Just to add some odd and ends
The 1851 census has an Ann DAWSON 17 (dau of Thomas 58 and Jane 55) in Fotherby.
Marriages Dec 1858
**DAWSON Ann Louth 7a 1125
Grady Mary Louth 7a 1125
Kayes Patrick Louth 7a 1125
**Smith George Louth 7a 1125
1851 census also has
Mary Ann THOMPSON 11 Theddlethorpe
in Horncastle Workhouse
1841 Census for Theddlethorpe St Helen has this THOMPSON group
Mary Ann 20 Ind
Susanna 20 Ind
Catherine 15 Ind
Samuel 13
John 5
Mary Ann 2
NB: There are no Theddlethorpe baptisms (St Helen's or All Saints on the IGI)
It looks as though George and Ann SMITH took Evangeline as their own from the start ...
Births Dec 1862
SMITH Evangeline Louth 7a 530
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Just to clarify your theory Geoff if I may...
Mary Thompson is living with George and Ann Smith.
Mary has a daughter named Evangelina.
For some reason Mary then disapears and George and Ann register Evangelinas birth as 'Smith' in 1862 in Louth.
George then dies and Ann marries someone called Joshua Winn.
Ann and Joshua then adopt Evangelina, eventually changing her name to WINN.
Joseph Thompson as named on Evangelinas birth certificate could or could not be the father.
I guess the problem now is that this is all speculation.
Is it possible to take this line of enquiry any further back?
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Just to clarify your theory Geoff if I may... Feel free!Mary Thompson is living with George and Ann Smith. At least we have one fact!Mary has a daughter named Evangelina. The cornerstone of the speculation. For some reason Mary then disapears and George and Ann register Evangelinas birth as 'Smith' in 1862 in Louth. Mary's disappearance is one of the least satisfactory things about it all ... where did she go? The SMITHs had been married for four years without a child of their own; perhaps they knew there was no chance of one. George then dies and Ann marries someone called Joshua Winn. Probably another fact.Ann and Joshua then adopt Evangelina, eventually changing her name to WINN. "Adoption" was just a statement of the status quo ... it would involve no paperwork. It was common practice for a child to take a stepfather's surname.Joseph Thompson as named on Evangelinas birth certificate could or could not be the father. I assume you mean marriage certificate. If he was the father, Evangelina was probably not the child of Mary THOMPSON. Perhaps we then have to find another Evangelina who has avoided censuses and registrations until she married in 1888. I guess the problem now is that this is all speculation. Coherent speculation though!  Is it possible to take this line of enquiry any further back? I'm not sure which line of enquiry you're asking about.
Getting the Evangelina SMITH birth certificate would seem to be a necessity. If George and Ann SMITH are not named as the parents, then it's £7 down the pan. If they are named as the parents, then it's probably not true ... why would she be "adopted" on a later census?
Alternative line of speculation
Evangelina THOMPSON born 1866 (father called Joseph)
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1888 Evangelina THOMPSON marries
Fill in the gaps, using as many deaths and re-marriages etc as you need to reach your destination 
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Thanks for your reply Geoff…
My wife often asks if I was female in an earlier life because I seem to have more ‘Blonde’ moments than most men….(apologies to all the intelligent blondes out there)
If send for the birth certificate and the outcome is one of the two you described, then what does that tell me as neither outcome helps me find a birth record for Evangelina Thompson. (There’s my blonde moment)
The line of enquiry is the tracing of Evangelinas ancestors, I assume unless I can identify her birth then it’s not possible to go any further.
Any further help would be much appreciated
Steve
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Geoff E
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Sorry, I should have read the thread on the B-G Forum more fully ... I see the Evangeline SMITH is accounted for in censuses in another part of the county and later in Notts. I think she probably has nothing to do with things. Forget the birth cert ... in fact, forget Angelina SMITH.
In those circumstances, you must decide whether ...
the presence of Mary THOMPSON in 1861 followed by Eva THOMPSON in 1871 are connected or not;
the only Eva* born in S Cockerington in the early 1860s (who has become ABBOTT by 1891) was the one found on the censuses with the WINNs.
Otherwise you need a baptism ... the fact that the SMITHs were apparently Methodist may (or may not) be relevant.
I've got my own problems with an illegitimate ancestor ... his marriage gives his father as Thomas McALLISTER (dec) ... I've found such a person and a death. Fine. Then, a couple of weeks ago, I find his baptism naming the father as Patrick McALLISTER. I can't find him. 
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