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batfink
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Hi Rootschatters,
I am researching the Fulljames family from Kent. Two Fulljames family emigrated to Canada, according to the 1881 census. I think I have found then in Ancestry.com immigration records. Would any kind soul who has a subscription to the immigration records on Ancestry.com please let me know the full details for the following:
New York Passenger lists: Anne Fulljames, Anne Maria Fulljames, Francis Eliz Fulljames, Harriet, Fulljames Robert Charles Fulljames, John Pringle Fulljames, Thos V. fulljames.
I believe this is one family.
Canadian Immigration records: Charles, A. Elizabeth and Alfred Fulljames.
Passenger and Immigration Indexs list: Elizabeth, Mary, Thomas Fulljames.
I believe these relate to one family.
I already have an ancestry.co.uk subscription, but I am relucant to pay out even more money just for this information.
Any help would be really appreciated. Many thanks in advance,
Pete
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MJP
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Hi Pete,
I don't have access to the US ones, but I looked up the others. (I have ancestry.ca, not ancestry.com)
The Canadian Immigration records is just an extraction from the 1901 census, where year of immigration is a question on the form. Here are all the Fulljames from 1901:
Ward 5, Winnipeg, Manitoba
Alfred Fulljames, Head, b. April 1860, England, Plasterer - immigrated 1870
Clara N, Wife, b. March 1866 Ontario
Florence, Daur, b. Aug 1895, Manitoba
Cranbrook, British Columbia
Harry Fulljames, Head, b. 1847 England, Plaster - immigrated 1870
Charles Fulljames, Lodger, b. 1854 Eng, ", imm. "
Edward Fulljames, Lodger, b. 1857 Eng, ", imm. "
(all brothers of Alfred??)
Guelph, Wellington County. Ontario
Thos. V. Fulljames, Head, b. 1840 Eng, Carpenter - imm. 1856
Mary Ann, Wife, b. 1847 Scotland, imm. ?
Gerturde, Daur, b. 1891 Ontario
Fredick, Son, b. 1892 Ontario
You can find all of these by searching the index at automatedgenealogy.com, then follow the links to view the original images (much more detail on image then in index).
I don't know where they got A. Elizabeth from in the immigration records - don't see her in the census.
The Thomas, Mary and Elizabeth from the Passenger and Immigration Lists is an extraction from the 1871 census of Ontario (all people not born in Canada). The only other information is the they are all living in Ontario, Thomas age 51, mary age 50 and Eliza age 1. It is not possible to tell from the index if they are a family.
The 1871 census is not online, but there is an index to heads of household and people whose names are different from the head of household. They are the only Fulljames in the census (Ontario only). From the index entry, Thomas and Eliza live in the same town, both born England, but Mary lives in another place and was born in the US. You can view the 1871 index here: http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/020108_e.html
I know you were probably hoping for ships passenger lists, so I hope this isn't too disappointing  For more information on finding immigrants to Canada on passenger lists, see the topics called "Ships Passenger Lists BEFORE 1865" and "Ships Passenger Lists AFTER 1865" near the top of the "Emigrants to Canada" board.
If you would like any other look-ups (like BMDs), just let us know!
MJP
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batfink
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Dear MJP,
Thanks for all your help. That is really useful. I think I have enough information now to link my UK Fulljames to those in Canada.
Thanks again,
Pete
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johnnyboy
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Hi Pete: In case you're still looking for a U.S. connection: I had a look at http://www.ellisisland.org and http://www.castlegarden.org/index.html, the two sites with passenger lists for arrivals into New York City. I couldn't find any FULLJAMES (nor a few variant spellings) on either site coming to America through New York City. I've included the urls so that you can check the sites yourself. The Ellis Island site requires that you register before doing a search.
The Fulljames folks might have arrived through Boston or Philadelphia or Baltimore or a smaller Atlantic Coast port. The passenger lists for those ports are only on Ancestry.com--to which I have access only when I go the library.
I also searched the Social Security Death Index, which is the closet thing in the U.S. to a national death index (http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com). There were only eight entries for FULLJAMES on the index for the entire country, most born after 1900.
Perhaps a re-post for a search of Ancestry.com lists--or a U.S. census search (the 1890 U.S. census was destroyed in a fire, by the way)--might be in order?
Regards,
John
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England, YKS: SLATER of Ovenden and Halifax; DRURY of Darton, Mapplewell, Sheffield and Halifax; DOBSON of Thornton (near Bradford); NEVILL(E) of Wigan, Lancs and Darton; MEGSON of Dewsbury; GARSIDE of Woolley and West Bretton.
Scotland: HENDRY of Who-knows-where-shire and Massachusetts, USA; HOUSTON of Lesmahagow and Glasgow and Massachusetts, USA; DEMPSTER of Lesmahagow; MEIKLE of Ayrshire, Hamilton, and Glasgow; COCHRAN of Hamilton.
Paradise: EVE and ADAM, also in exile
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KarenM
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Hi Pete,
New York Passenger Lists
Arrival: May 14, 1852
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: USA
Ship Name: Great Britain
Port of Arrival: New York
John P. Fulljames, 39, Solicitor's Clerk
Anne Fulljames, 38
Thos. V., 13
Francis Elizabeth, 11
Harriett, 8
John Pringle, 6
Anne Maria, 3
Robert Robert, 3
Karen
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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester
Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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KarenM
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Pete,
Looking at the marriages, deaths and birth, seems some where in Guelph, Ontario and John P., the father died in Barrie, Ontario.
I live in Barrie, and I'm from Guelph (going there this weekend for Thanksgiving), so if there is anything you want, like pictures or tidbits of information on the family, let me know.
Karen
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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester
Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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batfink
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Hi Karen and John,
Thanks for the additional information. With your help and that from other people I think I now have all the information I need. My goal was just to track down which branches of the Fulljames family emigrated to N. America. I think I now have all I need to link these N. American FUlljames back to their origins in the UK. When I have time I will post all this on my website.
Thanks again,
Pete
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batfink
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Hi Everybody,
I think I need your help again. I have just spent the afternoon piecing together all the information I have been sent and have a bit of an anomaly. Is it possible for people to be counted twice in Canadian censuses?
In the 1881 census is list the family of Thomas (deceased) and Mary Fulljames (widow) at Barrie, Ontario. All the expected family are accounted for except James William Fulljames. He is living in York. What is very strange living with him, the census records Charles Fulljames. However, this same Charles Fulljames is listed living with his mother. I have just been through the birth indexes for the whole of 1847-1860, and there is only one Charles Fulljames from England. Also listed is another Mary Fulljames (widow) in York, Ontario of exactly the same age as the other Mary and also English (but apparently from the US?).
A similar duplication occurs in 1901 census. I have a Charles Fulljames (b. 1854), plasterer, living in Winnipeg, with family. This Charles is definitely the son of Thomas and Mary, as he gives is middle as Edgar on his marriage license. But in Cranbrook BC is another Charles Fulljames (b. 1854) plasterer! Same name, same age, same occupation! What is very confusing he is living with Harry Fulljames (b. 1847) who is definitely also a son of Thomas and Mary Fulljames.
Fulljames is a rare name, even in the UK, so to find two people of the same name, age and profession within in the same family group is very odd.
Any help with resolving with conumdrum would be greatly appreciated. Also in Cranbrook BC appears an Edward Fulljames in 1901. No Edward Fulljames exists in the UK birth records from around this time. So any help with him would be appreciated.
Pete
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johnnyboy
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Pete: I can't help with investigating the Canadian census, since I live south of Canada. But I can tell you that I have a similar situation with my Slater ancestors in Yorkshire. Years ago I searched the 1881 U.K. census and found my 2 gt-grandfather James Slater enumerated with his wife and several of his children in Northowram, near Halifax. He was 54 years old and a miner.
Last week I searched the 1881 U.K. census via the Mormon website FamilySearch.org, looking for a Slater son named John Henry Slater and his family. I found John Henry in Dukinfield, near Manchester; his family was enumerated in Northowram, without him. In Dukinfield, John Henry was enumerated alone and listed as head. He was a stone miner.
I have a habit of looking at the nearby households when I search a census. Lo and behold, there's a James Slater, age 55 and a stone miner, next door to John Henry in Dukinfield. James is listed as head and works as a stone miner. My 2gt-grandfather again! What a nice honor for the Crown to bestow upon him. He and John Henry seem to be occupying a premise at the Institute and Cooop Stores in Dukinfield, possibly accommodations for transients(?).
I pondered the possibilities:
1. The James Slater with his family and then in Dukinfield might have been an early case of cloning. Unlikely. Science wasn't that far advanced.
2. James Slater might have been in two places at one time. Impossible. Breaks the laws of physics. Everyone in my family is too timid to break any laws.
3. James Slater in Halifax and James Slater in Dukinfield were brothers. Improbable though not impossible. The American boxer George Foreman has five or six sons, all named George! The two Jameses would also have been twins, since their ages were (nearly) identical. More improbable.
That leaves (4) Susey Slater, James Slater's wife, filled out the census form and wrote in her husband's information because a loving wife would do that for an absent husband. That's the explanation I'm settling upon.
But your case is a little more difficult, and I don't know what to say. Dukinfield and Northowram are 20 or 25 miles apart. In contrast, Barrie and York, Ontario are about 175 miles apart. Winnipeg and Cranbrook, BC have 1,500 long miles between them. Being enumerated in Barrie and York at the same time, I think, is possible, if Charles were visiting up there on census day. Perhaps he was also visiting his brother in Cranbrook at census time. Again, I think family is likely to include members who will be absent for only a short time, meaning that his mother and his wife listed him on successive censuses.
But that brings up question of why John Henry Slater's wife did not include him when she filled out the census form. Perhaps she was telegraphing him a message in the only way a Victorian lady could!!? I jest, of course. All members of my family--even those who have married in--love their huband or wife and all their children.
Does this clears anything up?
Regards,
John 
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England, YKS: SLATER of Ovenden and Halifax; DRURY of Darton, Mapplewell, Sheffield and Halifax; DOBSON of Thornton (near Bradford); NEVILL(E) of Wigan, Lancs and Darton; MEGSON of Dewsbury; GARSIDE of Woolley and West Bretton.
Scotland: HENDRY of Who-knows-where-shire and Massachusetts, USA; HOUSTON of Lesmahagow and Glasgow and Massachusetts, USA; DEMPSTER of Lesmahagow; MEIKLE of Ayrshire, Hamilton, and Glasgow; COCHRAN of Hamilton.
Paradise: EVE and ADAM, also in exile
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Hello Pete,
I went to the library today, and found a few things
1871 Ontario Census, Barrie, Ontario
Thomas Fulljames, 51, England, Church of England, Farmer
Mary Fulljames, 49
James Fulljames, 25, England, Church of England, printer
Eliza, 22
Henry, 24, farmer
George, 21
Edgar, 17
Egbert, 14
Alfred, 12
Albert, 4
Mary Ann, 66
Maud, 4, born Ontario
1871 Nominal Return of the Deaths within last twelve months, Barrie
Eliza Fulljames, age 1+, Church of England, born England, Heart Disease
In the Northern Advance Newspaper was the following death:
On the 24th day of April, 1874, at Foscombe (?), near Gloucester, England. Thos Fulljames, Esq. aged 66 years, eldest brother of John Pringle Fulljames, of Barrie, Ontario
So in the England death registers is
Thomas Fulljames
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at death: 66
District: Gloucester
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 172
1871 Ontario Census, Yorkville
Mary Fulljames, age 50, Widow, Born: United States, Church of England
Sopia Mary Fulljames, 14, born Ontario
Beasley, William, 24, born England, Butcher
Beasley, Elsie Ann, 23, born Ontario
In the 1850 Directory there is a Henry William Fulljames living in York, Craven Heifer Inn. So, I think the Mary born in the US is the wife/widow of this Henry William Fulljames.
Barrie and Toronto are only 60 miles apart, so I think as well that Charles could have been marked down at both places.
1891 Ontario Census, Barrie, Ontario
John P. Fulljames, 78 years, Widow, head
Birthplace: England
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Religion: Church of England
Profession: Independent
Francis Fulljames, 50, daughter
Birthplace: England
Father's birthplace: England
Mother's birthplace: England
Annie Fulljames, 42, daughter
same info as Francis
Death Registration for:
Mary Fulljames
Date of Death: February 12, 1887
68 years old
Widow
Where Born: New York
Cause of Death: Apoplocite(?) fit, 10 days
Reg. NO. 019794
Karen
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Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham
Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham
Shorter - Surrey
Dyer - Devon
Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland
Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Glouchester
Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!
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batfink
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Dear Karen and John,
Thanks for the further help. I am pretty certain that Charles 1 and 2 are the same. I found automatedgenealogy.com yesterday and it seems they have the same birth date in the 1901 census.
From Karen's information, if Mary 2 is Henry WIlliams's wife then I think I know who this Henry is. The name of the daughter Sophia gives it away. John Pringle's mother was called Sophia. This John also had a brother Henry. I would guess the Henry went first to Canada and John Pringle followed him.
I will follow up on this lead.
Thank again for the help,
Pete
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